[00:00:00] Angela Lin: I’m Angela Lin.
[00:00:01] Jesse Lin: And I’m Jesse Lin, and welcome back to, But Where Are You Really From?
[00:00:08] Angela Lin: I’m keeping that.
Full Transcript (Note: Transcribed via AI, may contain errors)
[00:00:09] Jesse Lin: And welcome back to, But Where Are You Really From. Jingle bells, jingle bells, it’s the holiday season. We’re so excited for holidays. I’m sure everyone else is too to spend some well-earned time off or time with family and friends. And I think we’ve discussed it before, but it’s really nice around the holiday season, particularly if you live – well, at least for me, if you live somewhere urban and you’re currently in New York right now, because it gets very festive, like all of the individual neighborhoods, rollout lights on the street, you have like Christmas trees everywhere. People sometimes would go out and decorate stuff. So I think it is uh happy to have the holidays back this season and a new record for me, I haven’t played any Mariah Carey yet.
[00:00:57] Angela Lin: Whoa, well, when do you usually start?
[00:00:59] Jesse Lin: Uh, like or early November. Yeah, basically the end of Halloween. It’s it’s about the time. Um, are you excited?
[00:01:09] Angela Lin: I am. I am. I we’re going to be in Europe to spend the holidays with Ramon’s family. We still have to book the, like what actually we’re doing, but I agree with you.
[00:01:21] Angela Lin: I think it’ll be nice to be somewhere that has seasons. It’s not like that intense over there as much as New York or generally east coast, north America, but it does, has the potential for snow. And, uh, I also think just in general, like Europe tends to have more of the like Christmassy vibe maybe because so much of it is still more Christian and Catholic based, do you think?
[00:01:47] Jesse Lin: Uh, I mean, you can’t shake that, but I think it’s also just a big family thing. And I remember like they have that the huge thing, El Gordo, so it’s like very much.
[00:01:59] Angela Lin: I don’t remember. I don’t remember what this is.
[00:02:01] Jesse Lin: The Christmas lottery, El Gordo.
[00:02:04] Angela Lin: Uh, I don’t know.
[00:02:05] Jesse Lin: It’s like the biggest lottery that they have every year. And like, everyone buys the tickets for Christmas and they always come out every year. They come out with some kind of ad that’s like a tear jerker. That’s like buy this ticket because you love your family. You know, they’re very good, but it’s very like, uh, like tear-jerking. Yeah.
[00:02:23] Angela Lin: Interesting. No, I don’t know this, but, okay, cool. What are your holiday?
[00:02:30] Jesse Lin: Um, to be honest. Okay. So for Thanksgiving, I already had a friends giving this past weekend and I’m spending with you and Ramon and my boyfriend, John, like actual Thanksgiving. And then for Christmas itself, honestly, I don’t think I have any plans. I’m just getting…
[00:02:49] Angela Lin: Are you going home?
[00:02:50] Jesse Lin: no cause I’m actually, I didn’t tell you this, but my parents are coming to visit me.
[00:02:54] Angela Lin: Oh they finally, they pulled the trigger.
[00:02:55] Jesse Lin: Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, I was like, the tickets were really cheap. Like I said, they were like maybe 500 total, five and six. And I was like, no, no, no, I lied. It was like 800, but it’s a direct flight from John Wayne to LaGuardia.
[00:03:10] Angela Lin: And that’s 800 for two people, cause that’s still very cheap.
[00:03:12] Jesse Lin: Yeah. Yeah. That’s still, it’s still really cheap. So I, I, I was like, if you guys have the time off, I’ll just buy it for you. And then like, you know, we’ll just hang out for a week. And it times up perfectly, because my official last day, I think is December the third. And then I have the next week off, which is when they come and they leave a few days into when I start my new job.
[00:03:33] Jesse Lin: So I think it’ll all work out very well. Yeah.
[00:03:36] Angela Lin: Oh, that’s a little depressing that you have to start a new job like a week before Christmas though.
[00:03:42] Jesse Lin: I’m hoping it’ll be, yeah I’m hoping it will be pretty relaxed. Like the new company has Christmas Eve and Christmas day off as well as new year’s Eve and new year’s day off so it should be pretty chill, like I can’t imagine it’ll be….
[00:03:52] Angela Lin: People will probably take time off You’ll probably just be boring orientation stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:04:01] Jesse Lin: Cool. So I am, I’m excited for. Uh, to see my parents, I’m excited to just have a little bit of quiet time and hopefully things will be less hectic and I’ll be able to finally not be stressed and relax a little bit. Yeah.
[00:04:16] Angela Lin: Yes. You have a few weeks. Be a little more chill than usual place. Well, okay. So we are excited and most people are excited for at least the time off and seeing family and friends that you probably haven’t seen in a while, but today we’re taking a darker turn taking a darker turn. Um, cause the last time we did a top, uh, we did the like holidays episode.
[00:04:45] Angela Lin: It was about all the like things we love about it and like the, the positive side, which is definitely, you know, a huge part of this season. But I think what is not often spoken about that we wanted to chat about today is that the holidays is also a time that can make people pretty sad and like depressed because it, because I think there’s so much weight put on this idea of like, uh, coming together and like spending it with like loved ones and whatever.
[00:05:15] Angela Lin: And if you know you’re not…. You don’t have the opportunity to be around loved ones or like, you know, many other circumstances could lead you to not actually be super happy and warm and jolly. So I think we wanted to talk about this kind of like flip side and some reasons why a lot of people are more kind of like, you know, the winter blues holiday blues, as opposed to the bright and shiny.
[00:05:42] Jesse Lin: Yeah. Yeah. We’re keeping it real, I’m sure many, many of you listeners have maybe not continuously done holidays by yourself, but at some point had to have a holiday by yourself because if you went to college away from home or something like that, it’s not always easy to go back for the holidays because it’s expensive or what have you.
[00:06:01] Jesse Lin: And I do think that. We don’t really talk about the fact that the holidays can be a depressing time for people. And I just think it’s like interesting to expose and have a discussion about it. So what, what would we, what was say first? I mean, like I would say for me, I remember those times that I didn’t go home for holidays for college.
[00:06:25] Jesse Lin: And although it was always kind of a logical choice because like, especially for Thanksgiving where you didn’t really get any time off. It didn’t make sense to fly like five to six hours across the country and then fly back immediately. So on paper, I was kind of like, okay. Yeah. That’s just kinda how it is.
[00:06:41] Jesse Lin: But reality, it was like a little bit lonely because like most people were able to leave or most people were able to go home and it like reminds you of like so many different things. The first thing is like, you’re not, at least for me. I was like, okay, I’m not getting to see my folks. Like, that’s a little bit of a bummer.
[00:06:59] Jesse Lin: And then the other thing is that like, okay, like I know there are other people that are like me who are going home and it’s like kind of a little bit of a bummer that I can’t really like afford to do that right now, either. And then there’s just like all these like little other things that are kind of like mehh about not being able to, to spend holidays with family or friends necessarily.
[00:07:22] Angela Lin: Yeah. Yeah. I definitely echo that. I never went home for Thanksgiving either. And even, even Christmas, I feel like there was this kind of like window of time, where, depending on when your finals, were you got to like leave earlier or later for winter break. And I remember some of mine were like dragging on into like very close to Christmas and then that delays, like when you’re able to fly out and I would feel kind of depressed when I saw people like leaving campus and it would start thinning out and you’re like one of the few people there. And so I think there’s kind of like two halves of the story. One half is like you genuinely are like sad that you can’t spend that time you know, more time with your family and friends from home and like being reminded that you’re poor, you know, and the limitations that you have there.
[00:08:14] Angela Lin: But I also think the other half is like, it’s a lot of like perception based and kind of like what you’re told you’re supposed to be doing at that time. And so, and then comparing to that, getting kind of sad about it because like, If people didn’t pity you so much. I think that’s a big part of it is like, I felt pitied a lot.
[00:08:38] Angela Lin: It was like, people would be like, oh, you should be home right now. Or like, you should be able to have this opportunity and like poor you poor little like lost rejected Angela or whatever. I’d be like, oh Jesus. You know, they weren’t that dramatic, but it was just like, that was the kind of the sentiment. It was like, I get to go home and I get to do these things.
[00:08:58] Angela Lin: And like poor you, you’re stuck here. And I’m like, okay.
[00:09:04] Jesse Lin: Yeah, I that’s definitely, I think that’s definitely true part. I feel like part of the reason that it wasn’t such a big impact for me in college is because as an Asian person, like Thanksgiving and Christmas, like we celebrate, but it’s not really that big of a deal. It’s just kind of like any other excuse to like, have a family dinner versus like some of the more Asian holidays were like a bigger deal. Um, so it was never like a huge thing for me where I was like, oh my God, I’m like missing out on this huge thing with my family.
[00:09:33] Jesse Lin: It’s not like that, but I kind of feel like as I’ve gotten older and you know, I’ve lived here for awhile. There’s no, at least I don’t have any plan right now to go back. It’s kind of become more permanent situation where I’m like, holy shit. Like I feel a little bit, you know, rootless. Like I have friends here and we, we do do things together during holidays when people are available, but it’s not the same kind of – it should be the same. It should be just as good as the hallmark vision of it, but it’s different, right? Like, it doesn’t feel the same, even though these are like people that you, that like they’re friends that I do really love. And they’re friends that I do really enjoy time with, but your life in your heart, you’re like, I want this like family thing.
[00:10:20] Jesse Lin: That’s like very traditional, at least for me. Family thing that’s like very traditional and like all this stuff. And it’s so funny because even as I talk about, I think about I’m like, I’ve never really had all this stuff to begin with. So like, why did I think that going back would suddenly somehow spawn like, um, this very like American traditional Christmas experience.
[00:10:42] Jesse Lin: So it definitely is like a little bit of like a mind fuck.
[00:10:46] Angela Lin: We actually did have traditions. I mean, Thanksgiving we’ve talked about, but I forced them to do Thanksgiving, but I made them do it every year. So we did do it every year, but things are Christmas as you know, my family does that Vegas every year. So like, there was a distinct kind of like difference if I couldn’t make it.
[00:11:05] Angela Lin: Um, or like, because of me, we had to like shift the dates or like shorten it or whatever, because of the time I could get off from school or work or whatever. Um, so yeah, I mean, that’s a wacky, like also an Asian thing from California, like to go to Vegas every year, but like there was a tradition. Um, but I think you mentioned Hallmark.
[00:11:30] Angela Lin: I think that is a big reason that not just us, but like a lot of people can never live up to the level of joy that they think they’re supposed to have during the holidays is because you’re constantly bombarded from literally from when Thanksgiving is over until Christmas, you start getting all those Hallmark movies, the Lifetime movies, the ABC family, or whatever the fuck that – Freeform it’s called now. Um, all those like super over the top, cheesy, you know, Christmas movies that, Hey, I’ve indulged in here and there. But like if you’ve watched one, you’ve watched them all and they’re always the same. And it’s always like so perfect the way that they set everything up. And it’s like once you unlock the way to like, spend that time with your special someone or whatever, and your family then like, everything’s amazing. And so if you don’t have the most amazing, like, perfect moment, like in those movies, you feel like something’s wrong.
[00:12:35] Jesse Lin: Yeah. Yeah, no, I completely agree.
[00:12:38] Jesse Lin: And, and I mean, even just like, you know, probably like when you were saying that. The most salient thing that came to mind are car commercials. You know, the one where they like bring out the mom and they’re like, oh my God, it’s a Lexus with a bow on it. I’m like, what? Like, this is really far from my reality. It’s okay. I’m, I’m in a good place right now.
[00:13:01] Jesse Lin: It’s still really far from my reality for that to be a thing. So like, yeah, there’s definitely like a huge, like expectation gap created, I guess, to make you buy stuff or make you feel a certain way, but still it’s like, yeah, it’s definitely like super crazy.
[00:13:18] Angela Lin: I think there’s also just like more literal and like, uh, like physical things happening during the season.
[00:13:26] Angela Lin: Like we haven’t talked about daylight savings time, but that happened a few weeks ago and it’s such a sharp contrast. Cause then all of a sudden you’re just like, oh, it’s four o’clock and pitch-black now every day. Yeah. And yeah, without, with fewer hours of sunlight. It’s proven that you can have seasonal depression and like, it’s not just made up.
[00:13:50] Angela Lin: And I remember, I think we talked about this maybe, but when I studied abroad in London, this has nothing to do with daylight savings times just to like the amount of sun you get or not, the sun came out three total times in the four months that I lived there. And one of them was the day that I left, but it was so sad.
[00:14:07] Angela Lin: Um, but I remember it was. Overcast every day and kind of like drizzly every day and maybe halfway through, or know one month in, I, I like stopped and thought to myself and I was like, why am I so down all the time? And then I thought about it. I was like, oh, because I’m from California and I have a sun every day usually.
[00:14:30] Angela Lin: And there’s zero sun here. That actually makes a ton of sense.
[00:14:35] Jesse Lin: No, I, I think that also, that definitely does have a huge impact, because like, aside from, okay. Aside from the fact that you don’t get sun, which, which I think yes, can like really fuck around with your mood, you also can’t really do anything anymore.
[00:14:49] Jesse Lin: Like after the sun goes down, cause it’s too cold to do anything. So then you’re also kind of like, all right, I’m spending all day, depending on your position. If you’re so lucky to work from home, you’re like I’m spending all day inside my apartment and then I’m stuck inside my apartment for the rest of the day.
[00:15:05] Jesse Lin: Like, so it can be definitely like one of those things where it’s de-motivating for you to do anything. And then you’re just going to like, stop both like physically and emotionally. Yeah.
[00:15:18] Angela Lin: It’s kind of like, uh, a hibernation, like it’s like a, it’s like how bears want to hibernate. It’s similar. Right? Cause you’re just like, it’s cold it’s dark. I don’t want to be outside. And even while we’re talking about cold places, but even when I lived in San Francisco, it never got that cold. But as someone who used to take public transportation to, and from work every day, pre COVID, like once daily savings hit. It was, it felt dangerous to be out past, you know, when it was dark to have to like walk a certain distance to like wherever the bus stop was.
[00:15:54] Angela Lin: Um, so you, there’s like, depending on where you live, there’s also a like, well, once the sun’s down and doesn’t feel that safe anymore, so I don’t want to be out for that reason either. There were more hours in the day for me to be out and about, but now I don’t want to.
[00:16:09] Jesse Lin: And one of the other things that I feel is. that like, Okay. Like when all the holiday day things come out and I’m not ready for them, like I’m not in the mood. It kind of makes me feel worse because I’m like, oh, it’s so nice. And like, there’s a holiday markets and there’s lights. And like, I want to be like in the mood to be like festive and happy, but I’m not.
[00:16:32] Jesse Lin: And then it’s like, you have this like, dissonance that just makes it worse than if it was just like some other random time of the year, because then your, you know, your surroundings are just kind of your surroundings as they are. Um, but sometimes I definitely do feel that too, where I’m like, maybe I’m walking down like streets that have Christmas lights and stuff and the decorations and the festiveness reminds me of the loneliness.
[00:16:56] Jesse Lin: And it’s just makes it like so much worse..
[00:17:01] Jesse Lin: Yes. I
[00:17:02] Angela Lin: think there’s two things to that. One is like, it reminds me of one of the reasons I left New York was, uh, I was sick of the constant FOMO feeling and the guilt I had, I would feel associated for not buying into the FOMO. So like I similarly with the holiday stuff, it’s kind of like, oh, all these like lights and the festivities and then the holiday market or whatever should make you have FOMO like, oh yeah, I need to like, get in there and like, get to be part of it, but if you’re kind of like feeling not into that, then it there’s a guilt almost. There’s like a partial guilt associated where you’re like, oh, this time of year, is like temporary, I should really be, I should be doing this, but I don’t want to. And so maybe something’s wrong with me or like, oh, I, you know, feel bad for that. And then the other part, as you mentioned, is like, it juxtaposes against your own feelings of loneliness.
[00:18:03] Angela Lin: And we’ve discussed a whole episode of loneliness if people haven’t listened to that episode yet. I’m like loneliness is a very real feeling. But as we discussed then, and now in the US – Western or yeah, US specific, at least loneliness is looked down on like, it’s not. It’s not as, um, easy to be like, oh, I’m just like, I want to be alone.
[00:18:30] Angela Lin: Like, I just want to like go out by myself and like spend time by myself or whatever. It’s like, oh, you’re the like sad person that’s by themselves, especially. And then it’s like amplified during the holidays because that’s the time when everyone thinks you’re supposed to be with like so many people that are in your life.
[00:18:47] Angela Lin: So if you, for some reason your work or like, Lexus commercial or whatever, everything you said before you are alone, it like makes you feel exponentially lonelier and bad because it’s a time when you’re, you’re told that you were supposed to not be alone.
[00:19:07] Jesse Lin: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean, like I, and, and the other thing that I’ll add, which you kind of already said is just like, it’s very othering to feel like you don’t – that you can’t participate because you feel a certain way. And then you’re like, okay, then I don’t feel normal anymore because this is like how everyone else is. But I mean, I think the point of the episode and the reality is, is that it’s probably not the case like that for most people. Right? No, most people are not getting a Lexis with a bow on it. If you’re in the position to do that , call me. Um, but yeah, most people are not going to, um, be experiencing that kind of thing.
[00:19:43] Angela Lin: Yeah. And then add on the fact that we’ve been living in a pandemic for the last two years and like take away the holidays. One of the things that the, the silent, silent most negative impacts of the pandemic during this whole time has been the spike in depression and like suicidal thoughts and things like that. And a big portion of the population, especially young people. And then during the holidays, if like for some reason you still can’t spend time with your family after so long, it’s just like, you know, it’s, it can be unbearable.
[00:20:22] Jesse Lin: Yeah, honestly, it’s rough, man. And then like I had, honestly, like when things started opening up and like I started seeing people. I had this moment where I was like, am I broken? Because I was coming out of it being like, I should be so happy to see my friends. I should be so happy to be able to like, have brunch out on the street again, like do all these normal things that I felt like I had taken for granted before, but I didn’t. Like, you know, like I was, you know, excited and happy to see them, but it wasn’t at the level that I was like, I guess hyping myself up, hyping myself up for, so there’s definitely, I definitely feel there’s some of that. And this is like, I guess kind of the first, again, like another first, the first holiday out of COVID technically like, you know, a lot of people have been vaccinated at this point, yadah yadah yadah.
[00:21:17] Jesse Lin: Um, and it might be even for some people, like the first time that they see their family, depending on the situation. Um, that they’ve been in and like who, who they’ve wanted to see over this period of time. And it can feel really weird to see people that you want to see again. And then be like, actually, like, I don’t really feel anything, but I actually, that’s pretty normal right? I just feel like everyone feels weird about it, but that’s actually very normal. I, you know, like I, cause afterwards I’ve talked to a lot of my other friends about it and they’re like, yeah. I also feel like, I don’t know, like I don’t understand how to hang out with people again. And it was. Doesn’t feel like I thought how it would after coming out of like a long, shitty period.
[00:21:59] Jesse Lin: Um, but I think that’s normal. That’s okay. It’s just not, what’s not, what’s being honestly put out there about the holiday season.
[00:22:08] Angela Lin: Yeah, I don’t think it’s spoken about too much, but because we’ve been effectively alone for the last two years stuck at home. Well, again, like you said, that the ones that have enough privilege to be able to work at home, as opposed to like frontline workers and service workers, who’ve had to work this whole time.
[00:22:25] Angela Lin: Um, but once we have been at home, All right. We lost all our social skills. Like we only interact with the people over screens like you and I saw each other for the first time, like two months ago in real life, you know, for my wedding. Um, so it, I dunno, it’s just, we’re all, we’re all broken right now. We’re all a little broken and we’re all going to have to like relearn social skills and, and related like the proper or not proper, I guess there’s no real, proper way that your emotion should play out, but like to recalibrate your emotions and your emotional response to like what should be happy times with people um, IRL, because we just haven’t done it in a long time.
[00:23:10] Angela Lin: Let’s, uh, kick it back up. And, um, I think one of the flip sides of like, if you have become, or have ever been in this quote unquote, like outcast territory, like we’ve been in where you don’t have for one reason or another the opportunity to go home or be around a lot of friends and family during the holiday season. The good news is that you can make your own family for better or for worse during this time with your other friends that are in similar situations. And I definitely know that like for me, especially during college, when it was like you know, it was implausible that I would ever go home for Thanksgiving. And sometimes, like I said, for Christmas, I did go home pretty late, like close to Christmas, I would get really sad.
[00:24:03] Angela Lin: But then I would like, kind of do a mental count in my head of like, oh, but I have like, you know, I have like a handful of other friends that are like from the west coast or whatever that also can’t go back and we can like do something together. So it would kind of make up a good portion of the like gap that I felt and what I should be feeling in joy at that time.
[00:24:25] Jesse Lin: Yeah. We always did like a friends giving when you still lived here. So that was, that was always awesome. And yeah, no, I agree. It is a, it is a really great opportunity to have these like chosen family kind of situations and chosen family events. And there’s honestly, there’s also nothing wrong with celebrating by yourself or doing whatever the fuck you want.
[00:24:45] Jesse Lin: Like, I just feel like it’s so um, to, to, to what we were saying about earlier about media representation and Hallmark and all that jazz, like, I feel like it’s so somehow like weird or rude to be by yourself over the holidays, or want to go to a bar and meet people over the holidays. Like, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
[00:25:05] Jesse Lin: Like if you’re by yourself and you have no friends and you want to meet somebody, you just go to a bar, that’s fine.
[00:25:11] Jesse Lin: I think this has been a very interesting episode and, uh, to continue the high note, we’re going to transition over to the Fortune Cookie cause we always like to end on a sweet treat. And since this episode is all about the holidays, we thought we would devote some time to discussing what our new year’s resolution, uh, will be for 202….
[00:25:32] Jesse Lin: God, Jesus Christ, 2022 oh my God. 2022, Angela do you have your resolution handy?
[00:25:47] Angela Lin: Well, the last episode we were, we’re one of our last episodes we were talking about taking risks and like doing new things. I think in general, we Ramon and I have been doing a lot of new things and like, we will be living in Asia for a lot of 2022. So I think it’s not like an end all be all new year’s resolution, because I think those are always like hyped up to be some like singular big goal or whatever, but for me, one of the, one of the resolutions I guess, is, uh, because we plan to spend a lot of time in Japan, like multiple months. Um, I do aspire to have at least like kindergarten level Japanese down so that I can get around and communicate with people.
[00:26:33] Jesse Lin: I’m sure you can do it. You just need to join one of those, like intercambio things. I know it’s not called intercambio but…
[00:26:38] Angela Lin: oh no, I’m going to be taking in-person classes. It’s like, I gotta, it’s motivating when you haven’t been able to speak, like, cause we lived in Japan for two months, um, a couple of years back and it was like very difficult to not speak any Japanese and it can be isolating in a lot of ways.
[00:26:57] Angela Lin: So I was very motivated to take like..
[00:27:01] Jesse Lin: Two months is really short though!
[00:27:04] Angela Lin: Is it Jesse, is it?
[00:27:06] Jesse Lin: To learn a new language, yeah?
[00:27:07] Angela Lin: Oh, I thought you meant two months is short to deal with the isolation.
[00:27:14] Jesse Lin: No, no. Oh. I mean like, I, I like to learn a new language in two months. No. That’s hard.
[00:27:21] Angela Lin: No, but I also wasn’t trying, I wasn’t trying back then either. It was like, I walked away with like the same 10 words I knew when I went there, but this time…
[00:27:30] Jesse Lin: Domo arigato mister roboto
[00:27:34] Angela Lin: 6 words! Um, but yeah, no, this time we’re going to be there. I think we’re trying to be there for like six months. So I want to be able to like, you know, order food and like you know.
[00:27:48] Jesse Lin: How about you?
[00:27:51] Jesse Lin: I think my, I think my resolution last year was to keep all the good habits I made during the quarantine. And, um, I don’t know, there’s a lot of like stuff happening this year and a lot of personal feelings stuff happening. So I feel like maybe what I need to do is to be nicer to myself in 2022.
[00:28:18] Jesse Lin: I don’t know. Like, I feel like, okay. Yeah. I just feel like I’ve been, maybe I’ve been a little bit too difficult on myself, or like setting too difficult expectations and goals and stuff like that. And I just want to be kinder to myself in the next year.
[00:28:36] Angela Lin: I like that. And also you’ve done big things this year.
[00:28:39] Angela Lin: You switched jobs, you’ve met some of those goals that I think you’ve set for yourself so that you can take it easy.
[00:28:46] Jesse Lin: Yeah. And I want to just like, I feel like I’m that kind of person where I’m like, okay, hit the goal. And I’m like, cool, I’m there – next thing. But I want to like celebrate that now. Right?
[00:28:55] Jesse Lin: Cause I’m like, oh my God, I did it. Like, it should be something that I feel like really jazzed about, so I’m trying to like work on that.
[00:29:02] Angela Lin: Well, listeners write us in with your new years resolution or write us in about the main topic that we talked about, which is if you’ve ever felt sad or lonely during this time, or have a rant about how it’s annoying.