Angela Lin 0:15
Today we have a special guest coming from the UK. And she is going to provide a very different perspective from Jesse and mine’s as we are Asian Americans, she’s going to bring the British Chinese context. So we have Natalie do you want to give yourself an introduction?
Natalie 0:35
Hey, everyone, thank you so much for having me on your podcast, very excited. And I spent a lot of time listening to Asian American podcast before I started my own called Yellow Bee Pod. And so it’s really great to be able to connect and you’re right, I’m British born Chinese. And the born is specific. I think that’s something that people say a lot to make sure they include that in there. I am based in London.
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Angela Lin 1:00
Cool, and I think you already touched on it but we always like to ask, but where you really from? Is there anything additional to what you just said that you would ask if someone asked you that right now?
Natalie 1:13
The classic question, and uh, yeah, I think my standard answer is that I’m British Born Chinese. I’m from London, but specifically my mom’s from Malaysia.
Angela Lin 1:21
Cool.
Jesse Lin 1:21
Oh interesting.
Angela Lin 1:22
In America we do like we shorthand to ABC for American Born Chinese. Is there like BBC?
Natalie 1:31
Yeah, definitely. But BBC will have multiple meanings. And we also have a TV channel called BBC. And yeah, I would use that if I was among other you know, quote BBCs, but if I wasn’t, I wouldn’t risk it it just has too many other meanings.
Angela Lin 1:47
Cool. Okay, so we’re really just going to compare and contrast our experiences growing up in totally different parts of the world being sounds like you are also first generation or are your parents. Like, were they already British themselves prior? Or did they immigrate to the UK and then have you?
Natalie 2:08
I’m like, one and a half when my mom immigrated from Asia to the UK, but on my dad’s side, he’s also British Born Chinese and my dad, my grandparents, they immigrated from Hong Kong.
Angela Lin 2:19
Oh, cool. Yeah, there’s already different stuff there. Cuz both of our parents were born and raised Taiwan, and then move to California and then had us separately.
Natalie 2:33
In the UK, I think I know the whole of one Taiwanese person.
Angela Lin 2:38
Oh, really? Well, I think it’s changed a lot since we grew up. So Jesse and I grew up in Orange County, California. And when we were growing up, it was mostly Taiwanese people that were there if they were of like, Chinese descent. But it’s shifted a lot since then. So I would say probably from like, the late 2000s onwards, it’s been mostly like mainland Chinese that have been coming in, because obviously, the country in general has gotten like, a lot richer, and a lot of people are moving to the US. So growing up, though, definitely. It was like mostly Taiwanese.
Jesse Lin 3:15
Yeah, I mean, I think this is one of the material like interesting differences already that we’re seeing is that like our composition of Asian immigrants, because obviously, as we’ve discussed, like Asian encompasses, like so many different kinds of people is quite different here than I think anywhere else. And the history and background of those people in immigrating to the United States or to Great Britain is very different as well.
Angela Lin 3:42
Yeah, I’ve got to say I like had never really met any people from like Malaysia or the or like Singapore, more of the, you know, Island, other island nations beyond Taiwan until college and grad school. So because there I don’t think there are that many, at least on the west coast in America.
Natalie 4:05
Yeah, I wouldn’t necessarily say that there were lots of Malaysian Singaporean, etc, and immigrants in the UK. But they were like British colonies, like a lot of other countries were part of this British Empire or part of a Commonwealth. So there is that connection there that has sometimes I think, helped those who were immigrating in the past that sort of helps them to make that decision about where they’re going to go it’s the countries they are familiar with or with language as well. But I don’t think there’s a lot of like Chinese people in the UK who have linked with Malaysia and Singapore. And that’s why I always say that my mom is from Malaysia, because it’s really easy for other British Born Chinese people to assume that both my parents immigrated from Hong Kong, which is probably the most, most common one here again, British colony,
Angela Lin 4:56
Right? – makes sense.
Jesse Lin 4:57
I mean, that’s one similarity, right? That we’re all Like, Oh, actually, our parents are just sometimes I’m just like, Oh, my parents are just from China for the sake of simplicity. People do the same kind of other people do the same kind of lumping too right. They’re like, oh, you’re from China. Yeah.
Natalie 5:13
I don’t like that though because then they like to tell me things about China and unfortunately I haven’t been yet. And I feel like they just want to project whatever they know about the nation of China onto me.
Angela Lin 5:30
So funny, actually, what’s funny, because Jesse, I never tell people, my parents are from China. But when I say Taiwan, some people don’t know what Taiwan is. So like, sometimes they’re like, is that Thailand? Is that the same thing? I’m like, but Okay, so you mentioned your parents are different generation, I guess immigrants too that’s already something very different. I’m curious if the way that your mom and your dad brought you up with like, their parenting towards you was slightly different, perhaps because of one already being, like, totally immersed in British culture prior and one being an immigrant? Was there any noticeable difference growing up?
Natalie 6:16
Yeah, I think there was some differences, especially when I compare to perhaps other British Born Chinese people, because even though like in my household, we grew up speaking Cantonese, which is pretty common for Chinese communities in the UK. And but it was slightly different, because my dad is British Born Chinese like myself. And like, we all know, if you are born in the West, though, our mindset with things and our experiences are very different. And it’s also the case that we didn’t choose to immigrate over here, or to where we are now, where we are now in a minority group. Whereas sometimes I feel like those who have immigrated by choice. They are much more maybe more resilient, where they just suck up when people are like, pretty racist for them. Whereas my experience, people in our generation, or people who are born in the West, are more critical of situations like that, rather than just accepting it as something that because we feel like we shouldn’t have to deal with that as someone who’s existed in that country.
Angela Lin 7:16
So you mentioned racism, and I feel like COVID is a special time, we’re all dealing with a, you know, a heightened sense of Asian, anti Asian racism as a result of that. But let’s remember old times before that, I guess. And just like in general, thinking about the makeup of different racial groups in the UK. I’m curious, first of all, like, how big of a representation is the broader Asian, you know, racial groups within the UK compared to other racial groups? And then like, how much racism really is there on a normal non COVID timeframe? Because the UK is pretty well, I guess, London is special but like, I only think about London. And it seems like a pretty like, a mixed in like, metropolitan, multicultural place. But I know the UK is freaking huge. So depends on where you grew up, I’m sure.
Natalie 8:15
Yeah, definitely. Well, firstly, I can only really share my experiences with things. And I think something that we touched on before is how big Asia is. Like so many different ethnic groups and cultures, languages were encompassed within that. But in the UK, something which I think is very different to the US is that when you say Asian, it’s more likely to mean South Asian than East or Southeast Asian . And this is something which I think is a huge difference. I think it might be down to you know, whoever got here first and claimed that term, or whoever has the larger population. And in the UK, there is a ginormous South Asian populations like Indians, and Pakistanis, Bengali people as well. And yellow, really, really big communities across lots of different cities in the UK. And so when you say Asian, in the UK, it often means South Asian, first and foremost, and that’s even reflected on our census forms on our census forms, which aren’t very good. They have a subheading that says Asian under which it says that three South Asian nationalities and then in a whole different section under others are not Chinese does not come under Asian. It’s always something really interesting because when you’re looking at data, you know, the data that’s recorded for you know, science research, health care, or the police or whatever it is, you really got to interrogate what when they say, you know, Asian communities are affected, what do they actually mean is Chinese included in that or not, because it depends on how they’ve referenced their data. And, and so that’s the box that I tick, but then all the other East and Southeast Asian countries are not listed at all. So it’s not ideal, it’s not great but also that we can’t really, I can’t really give you a number of, or the percentage of the population, which are East and Southeast Asian because we don’t we just don’t know it. But the percentage of Chinese people is like less than 1%.
Jesse Lin 10:19
Wow. That’s that’s smaller than I was expecting.
Angela Lin 10:22
Same. Yeah. Yeah. Like you already clearly know this. But yeah. When when you say Asian in the US that it does not include South Asian, Southeast…well, Southeast Asian. Yes. Yeah. South Asian is like, I don’t know, sometimes they want to be part of the Asian umbrella. Sometimes they don’t. But usually, when people say Asian, they’re not thinking South Asian, like it’s a separate thing. Let’s talk about then since you are one of you said 1% of the population. What was that like growing up? Because I think one of the common threads for Jesse me and a lot of Asian Americans growing up is like, we weren’t treated the worst per se, right. Like we’re so model minority. There are other racial groups that are definitely treated worse than than we were. And we also grew up in a more diverse part of the country. So it’s not like we were odd, like gonna stand out because we were Asian, or Chinese or Taiwanese. But there was this, like, constant sentiment where we were like, you know, I wish I was white, like life would be a lot easier if I was white. And that’s definitely the way that we grew up. I’m curious, what was going through your head when you were growing up? When you’re looking at like, you know, the other kids around you and how they were interacting with you. Was there a similar sentiment? Or is there something kind of distinct based on where you grew up?
Natalie 11:48
Yeah, I think there definitely are a lot of similarities, and which is why I leaned into so much Asian American media growing up, I went to a school, which was predominantly white, I think I was the only like east or Southeast Asian person in my, my year group at school. But growing up in school, I never really realized that some of the things that people were saying to me, were actually race racist, like race related. And in my head, it was just normal, because I’ve never not been a Chinese woman, you know, like, I’ve never experienced life in a different body. And I never will. So I sometimes find it difficult to identify where I have had experiences of being discriminated against. But sometimes it’s just very overt like things. No, there’s these sort of like playground taunts that anyone can get really, anything that you’d have or do that’s different. Kids are cruel. Yes. They’ve been sort of things. But that’s absolutely not to normalize it but and what I find really scary now, like with as an adult, with that hindsight, is how yeah, normalized it is. But what also where did the kids learn it from, because kids don’t come out of the womb, knowing racial stereotypes. And also in terms of your name, and I don’t know whether you have had similar experience to this. But when I was in my earliest years of school, so up until the age of maybe seven or eight, I was registered under my, like, legal middle name, which is my Cantonese name. And so there would always be sort of comments or, you know, I don’t want to say jokes, but you know, people making fun of me for my name, which is not a, I don’t know, a Western name or biblical name. Right. In hindsight, that’s not okay. But at the time, it was really normal. You know, I never really thought anything of it.
Angela Lin 13:40
The middle name thing is interesting, because I said, Jesse and I both have Chinese names. I don’t know about Jesse, your legal name, but my legal name, I don’t have my Chinese name as my middle name, but my brother does. And I remember when I was growing up, I remember him getting made fun of because his Chinese name was his middle name, and people couldn’t pronounce it. Or they’re like, what’s that? That’s funny. And like, I remember a sense of like, relief on my side of like, oh, thank God, my parents didn’t put my Chinese name as my middle name. Because, for me growing up, it was like, how do I reject all parts of my my Asianness? That’s like, making me different from everyone else. So yeah, that’s, uh, it’s funny, you bring that up, because I definitely have memories.
Jesse Lin 14:31
I also feel like even though we both have like American names, it was still very much something that people would ask. They’d be like, What’s your real name? What do you mean? Like, this is my legal real name? Um, and I don’t think my name is that funny. But it is not common, I think feel like for an Asian dude to have the name Jesse. So people would ask me all the time, like, what’s my real name? And I’d be like, well, that’s my real name like you mean my like Chinese name, it’s completely different and doesn’t sound anything like what my English name is. I think some people think that they’re like, they thought it was like a phonetic translation or something like that. I was like, no, it’s it’s just English name.
Natalie 15:13
It’s such a strange thing when people ask questions like that they are just making so many assumptions.
Jesse Lin 15:18
I was thinking about something you were saying. And I’m really interested in understanding, like how the general population views diversity, like what their perspective is on it, like if it’s important, if they’re interested in seeking that, because that’s it, diversity has always been, I feel like a huge pain point in the US because of like, the racial policies of the past. And I feel like sometimes in talking to European friends, Angela, I actually I don’t know if you have the same experience, but I kind of feel like when I was in Spain, people will be like, you guys, like people would tell me that, like Americans talk about race too much, or they’re too easily offended about, like, racial things. And I’d be like, really, like, are we? Are we really sensitive? Or is it just that like, you guys don’t have enough focus on that, or you don’t see it in a more critical way.
Natalie 16:08
In the UK, is really, really varied. And you never see the opinions come out more than on Twitter, which I’m trying to less time on for my mental well being. But for example, in London Angela you’re right in saying it’s a very ethnically diverse place, as I said, there’s this huge South Asian populations, but also black communities, and other ethnic groups as well. Um so much so in fact that there’s, you know, areas of London, which they have, like, you know, the train station sign is written in the South Asian language, because there’s a big community there. And there’s people there who never sort of leave that community and always speak their home, their mother tongue. But so London has like campaigns, about, you know, diversity, and you know, how Londoners Really do come from all different walks of life. But then you also see a lot of kickback to that. What I say to that is, if you don’t have to think about race all the time, and you’re in a position where you, you think like race has been spoken about too much, that’s a position of privilege, because you don’t have to think about it. And in some cases, I would also put myself in that group, because I’ve never, I haven’t experienced too much like, overy racism and not in my adult life as well. Which means that I can go through some parts of life without thinking about my ethnicity, or the dynamics in the in the room in there with other people’s ethnic identities. I think it’s important to have these conversations, but sometimes, and sometimes I feel like the US voice is so loud, politics and media, that like everyone else just gets sucked into this tornado as well. And maybe that’s not a bad thing, because US politics will definitely affect us here in the UK. Um but it is, it is loud.
Angela Lin 17:56
We’re just a loud people in general. We’re like that when we’re abroad as well.
Natalie 18:04
We absorb, you know, so much American media whether that’s movies and music, etc. So it makes sense.
Jesse Lin 18:10
So I’m wondering if any of the same stereotypes that we’ve discussed, such as like model minority also apply in the UK where like people see South Asian or Asian people the same way that they see here, where it’s like, these people are like, industrious and hardworking, and thus, they’re like a tier above, like all the other race races.
Natalie 18:32
Yeah, I think that definitely is a sense of the model minority trope, particularly in the workplace, and more about, you know, if I, if I work really hard, and keep my head down, then I’ll be rewarded. That’s how I fit in. That’s how I find success. I think it’s definitely more so the case with East Asians and that’s something that we are talking about more and more, and hopefully, we will see more East Asian people stepping up and speaking out, and whatever it is that they’re passionate about. That’s really something that I would like to see here in the UK, because if you asked, you know, the average British person, you know, names someone of whose British or British and East or Southeast Asian, they all really struggle. I think. Like, it’s not there’s not that many public figures. In the past, there might have been some celebrities with some east or Southeast Asian heritages, but they might not have spoken about it, we might not even realize they have these ethnic identities. So that’s something I hope to see improve, you know, not just in the entertainment space, but also in politics, and sports and journalism, etc.
Angela Lin 19:43
I’m curious because you mentioned that there are such big communities have especially like South Asians, that sometimes the signs are in their local language and whatnot. I’m curious if there is a problem with like, non…I’ll just whatever…white British people seeing other minorities like South Asians and other minority groups as like not British, and like still kind of separate because I, I could kind of see that versus like in the US, um, because it’s not like you just like walk into a city or a county and like everyone is only speaking a different language like there is not that sentiment. So there is this kind of like, unifying thing of like, Okay, well, we’re all we’re all Americans, but like, you’re also like Mexican, or you’re also Chinese or whatever, like, there is that more like holistic umbrella. So I’m curious if that still applies, or if there is still more of a contentious like debate over the definition of what makes someone British?
Natalie 20:54
Yeah, and this is something I’ve been thinking about a lot. Because I’ve always Yeah, they said, I call myself is British and Chinese, so British Born Chinese. But there definitely are some conversations, as I mentioned that there are in the US as well, about, you know, who belongs here, or, you know, the media loves to make a fuss about immigration, and asylum seekers, I definitely see commentary in the UK. And actually, I will say, I was gonna say that I don’t associate with people like that. But even some of people like my colleagues, or people who are sort of within my social circles surprise me sometimes with their opinions on immigration, who belongs here. And then sometimes, when I’m in these conversations with white people, I wonder whether they forget that I’m an ethnic minority as well. The people that they’re speaking about could be, you know, my family members. And, and it always comes from a point of ignorance, but they don’t realize like how horrible the impact the wider impact of these opinions can be. But I think something that is very different for me is whether you would describe yourself as British or English, which is different. So like England is a country within Great Britain. And yes, I guess I am English, because I was born here. But I would never describe myself as English, because I would associate that more with that ethnic group. Whereas the term British is a little more linked to your nationality, your citizenship, it’s almost like, I have this document this passport, you can’t take that away from me. But I have that, you know, proof that I am British, whereas people would argue with me that I’m not English. So I wouldn’t even argue that even though I’ve only ever lived in England. So that sort of thing, I think is really interesting, because I do see a trend, where the term English is used by a lot of far right people, and but also more, so the term British is as well. And I think since the like Brexit four years ago, that’s even more a case where people really want to highlight this British identity. But when they talk about that, most of the time, I think minorities do not fit into what they’re talking about. And I’m kind of worried that the term British will be changed or taken away from ethnic minority communities.
Jesse Lin 23:22
I mean, when you were just talking about, like, people who put their foot in their mouths about stuff like that, I was like, Oh, my God, I cannot. There are so many times where people say that like about the Asian identity, or about because I’m gay, or about being gay. And they’re like, oh, wait, but we don’t mean you.
Natalie 23:37
You’re one of the good ones!
Jesse Lin 23:38
I’m like, this is like, this is who I am like, this is very confusing. But to piggyback off of what Angela was asking about, for those people who do immigrate to the country legally, like, what is the opinion of, let’s say, an English person, or someone who’s lived there for generations in terms of how they expect this immigrant to conform to English or British society?
Natalie 24:05
That’s really interesting. And I would say that in the UK, I do think there is this expectation that people will come here to assimilate, and it’s considered strange if they don’t end up learning the language. But then similarly, I don’t think there’s really support for them to do that either. I mean, if I immigrated to another country, I would 100% be finding people who spoke the same language as me and building the you know, finding my communities. So I completely understand why those who have immigrated to the UK have done that as and found their little pockets. If you look at sort of some east or Southeast Asian communities who have immigrated to the UK, for example, something that I learned recently was a couple of decades back where there was a significant pressure for the UK to take in Vietnamese refugees. They were actually like deliberately spread into lots of different like parts of the country, so that I think the motive behind that was to discourage you know, one large Vietnamese community. And when you hear things like that, it’s no wonder that we all feel like we all grew up in a white suburb, because there really was a motive there behind it. But it could also be, you know, for other things where it’s just like, your parents wanted to open a Chinese takeaway, and they couldn’t all open a Chinese takeaway in the same town. It’s just interesting to see like these trends
Jesse Lin 25:28
Do we want to spend this next like section discussing about the whole, like growing up and wishing your white kind of situation we touched upon up top. I mean, I can kick it off, if you guys would like. Here’s the thing is, it’s like, as Angela said, like, we were mistreated in any way, like, honestly, I don’t think anyone said anything, like racially insensitive, like specific, like a slur or anything like that, um, growing up, but there’s definitely this sense of like otherness, because when you look around at the media, and like, the portrayals of things that are desirable, and what everyone and even what everyone is, is schooled, trying to do, like, a lot of it is focused around this like nuclear suburb, like white looking family and like heteronormative values. And so even though there’s no intention of trying to be like, there’s no direct intention of trying to be exclusionary of Asian people, or of people of other kinds of communities, but the enforcement of that message and the singularity of it. Like, it creates an otherness, right? It creates alienation. And so growing up, I feel like that’s what I largely felt like you never really see yourself represented. And so it’s really hard to be secure in yourself. Because you can only pick your own identity from yourself and your experiences, you can’t be like, if you are white, you could pick some of your experiences, identity from the messages that you saw in popular culture, and what’s like the main messaging, right? So it’s, it was just, it just made everything more difficult growing up, and more challenging to really piece together who you are. And at some points, you kind of give up and you’re just like, I want to fall into this like prevailing narrative, and I want to be white, and I want to have all those things. Because it’s just so difficult to try and figure out the other thing, which there’s no clear path or like model for.
Angela Lin 27:39
Yeah, I feel like when you’re a kid, all you want is to be accepted. And, like, I would agree with what you said, just say like, I don’t think people were explicitly telling me like, you don’t belong here or anything like that. But just looking around and seeing like, oh, who are like the popular kids, like, what’s the makeup of that group? And they would be all white kids are like, there’s a token Asian, how did they get so lucky to like break into that group. And then I also noticed they like, because they also reject everything about their Asianness, is how they are able to do that like, but there’s definitely a sense for me of like, oh, well, that spot is filled. So I guess that can’t be me. Yeah, that’s that’s always how it felt. And then you look around and you’re like, oh, well, the other minorities? Well, you said you grew up as like probably the only Chinese person around you. So it’s probably different for you. But for us, we had definitely we had other Taiwanese people we had Orange County had like a good Persian population. So you would see the other kids but like, they were in their own groups too, or like, we minorities wouldn’t mix with each other. But like the we would not mix too much with the white kids. Like, that’s just you just look around and you happen to see that that’s like the clustering of people. And you’re like, I guess this is normal. So I guess I don’t belong with with, like, popular kids, which I always coveted. And I was like, oh, why can’t I be as cool as they are? You know, like, they’re just, it’s because when you’re growing up? It’s all just like, how do I be like the most accepted the most loved and like, I guess I will never achieve that because I’m not born a certain way.
Natalie 29:21
Hmm. Yeah, I think it is such a sensitive topic, but it’s good to have that open conversations about it. And the reason I’m interested in it is because I like growing up. I didn’t, I never wanted to be white. And that is based on the conversation that I’m having more and more frequently with other British Asian people where they did, and particularly in the case of women and beauty standards, and I think that’s something which is quite, like scary and also really sad because don’t teenagers already have enough pressure on themselves? And oh, yeah, there’s something about your like appearance that you just can’t change and ethnicity is a big one of them. But yeah, it’s human nature to want to fit in and I think what happens in the playground is reflected in, you know, all parts of life. And we can’t act like, no adults are better than that, or adults are different to that. One, I didn’t want to be white. And I perhaps didn’t consciously reject my Asian heritage. But there was definitely a case where I was trying to distance myself with Asian people who are not British born, and British raised. And I think that was a real learning curve for me, in order to just realize my internalized racism there, basically. And I think that’s something which we will everyone who’s had that experience, when you really need to unpack and is, yeah, I love like these spaces to have these really authentic and personal conversations about a topic, which can be quite difficult. And it’s definitely not something which I would be talking about with people who I didn’t feel like we’d get it regardless of identity.
Angela Lin 30:57
Do you also use the phrase Fresh Off the Boat in the UK? Or is that it?
Natalie 31:02
Yeah, but I’m trying not to, because I’ve only ever used it in a way that I’m trying to distance myself from them.
Angela Lin 31:08
Yeah. Well, I thought about it, because you said that because we definitely did that growing up where we’re like, oh, that’s the FOB group that’s like the fobby group. And like, we’re not, we’re American-Asian, like we’d always made that distinction as well. Yeah, no, you’re like constantly justifying your place in society of like, well, I was born here so I don’t count as like one of those, you know, external people? Well, let’s move on to something more fun. So we’ll move into our close, our close, as always a Fortune Cookie. That’s what we like to call it. Because we always like to end on a sweet treat. What we love to hear from you is your favorite, localized things that are fusions that like integrate the original culture, but it’s like mixed in distinctly with British culture. So like in the US. One of my favorite things is Korean Mexican food, because that’s a very, like, Los Angeles things specifically, actually. But it’s not like spread out to everywhere in the US. But it started because in LA, there is a part of the city where Korean people, like there’s a huge Korean population. And then there’s a huge Mexican population that happened to like, share the same, like zip code, essentially. And so there is like, huge influence foodwise between the two. And then Roy Choi, I think he created Korean Mexican fusion food, and it’s like, delicious, and it’s one of my favorite things. But so American in my mind, because it is like this, the mix of two distinct cultures that doesn’t exist, that wouldn’t have existed, right, if these two groups hadn’t been in the same place in the US at the same time. So I’m curious if there’s something that is kind of like that, like a fusion-y thing that you you really like about the UK doesn’t have to be food. But that’s a, that could be a starting point.
Natalie 33:05
No, I do think food is a big one. And there’s definitely several several parts of London, which are sort of upcoming aka newly gentrified, which has a lot of food spots, like they’re all over in all the directions of London. And they not necessarily fusion, but definitely more East and Southeast Asian food is becoming trendy. And that’s great. People who are part of that ethnic group, and are able to start businesses based on that, as long as it’s people from the ethnic group, I’m happy. I wouldn’t say that it’s necessarily fusion, but it’s probably not, you know, the authentic of food that they get home necessarily. Maybe it does already have the western influences that I just don’t know, because I’m coming at it from that Western point of view. And I think that’s something that’s really, really great. And also something which I think is growing and new is the British Asian community that has come together online and using the term Asian as a collective for East and Southeast Asians as well, more and more. And I wouldn’t say that that’s the norm yet, but it’s growing. And I’m really, really pleased to see that because I think that’s really great, powerful Chinese people and Chinese communities like the one that I’m in to team up with other Asian ethnic groups.
Jesse Lin 34:26
Well, thank you for joining us on our episode this week. This was a really fun and illuminating conversation.
Angela Lin 34:31
Yeah, thank you.
Natalie 34:32
Thank you so much for having me on your podcast. It’s been really, really fun and to connect them to lots of different experiences, similarities and differences. Um my podcast called Yellow Bee Pod, B as in bumblebee. And you can find it on wherever you’re listening to this, I guess, and I would love to connect and hear from you. If there’s something here that you’ve learned about the British experience or can relate to that has resonated with you. And my favorite thing about my podcast is being able to meet different people that I otherwise would have never connected with, including you two. Really, really cool.
Jesse Lin 35:04
Likewise. So if you enjoyed this episode, please let us know if you have something to add about your experience if you’re living in a completely different country from the US and UK where you are also an Asian minority, feel free to chime in, drop us a DM on Instagram or you can email us at telluswhereyourefrom@gmail.com.
Angela Lin 35:27
Come back next week for another new episode.