Angela Lin 0:20
Today we have a special guest, my old roommate and really close friend and doctor, Sandeepa. Hello.
Jesse Lin 0:30
Whoo.
Sandeepa 0:31
Hi. Thanks for having me.
Angela Lin 0:34
Thanks for joining us. We will, I’ll introduce the topic and then I want to introduce you. The reason we have Sandeepa on today is the topic we want to cover is kind of East meets West in terms of medicine. And I felt like Sandeepa would be a perfect guest because she’s a Western trained doctor, but is very spiritual, and we’ve had some spiritual journeys together that we’ll probably get into. So anyways, I felt like you’d have a really balanced approach to this topic. So we wanted to have you on. But let’s give our listeners a little intro. Introduce yourself however you’d like. And then when you feel comfortable if you could throw in your answer for but where are you really from?
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Sandeepa 1:30
My name is Sandeepa Mullady. Weird now that I’m married new last name. I am a neurologist by training. And I’m currently a memory and aging fellow. So I focus on dementia in particular. And I’m from San Francisco. That’s my home base right now. In terms of where am I really from, the sass answer is, oh, the South Bay. And they go, Oh, South Bay of India? And I’m like, somewhere somewhere around there. But no, my parents grew up in Chennai. So I am actually technically from the South Bay in India as well.
Angela Lin 2:14
You keep it vague.
Sandeepa 2:16
Exactly. So not lying either way. And now with this new last name, I’ve actually gotten emails being like, are you sure your last name is Mullady? And I’m like, Oh, yeah, I’m positive.
Angela Lin 2:27
Are you sure? Oh, and maybe you need to give your little disclaimer before?
Sandeepa 2:34
Oh, we I definitely should. So all my opinions are my own. I’m going deaffiliate them with my institution. I work at UCSF currently.
Angela Lin 2:45
Well, we’re very happy to have you on. So thank you for joining us. Okay, so I think we wanted to kick it off by kind of setting the stage of like, the history behind the lesser known portion of this medical world for most people, which is probably the Eastern or, well, Eastern is also like a kind of loaded way of describing the more like, non traditional medicine as well, because I think most people when they hear Eastern medicine, they think of Chinese medicine, because it’s the most like widely popularized, probably, and I think a little bit more accepted by Western medicine as well. But East depending on how you define that there’s also like South Asian, very ancient medicine as well. So I think we can give a little bit of like, history, but not too deep, and some kind of overview of the Chinese side of it. And then not that you were an expert necessarily on South Asian medicine, but I think we’d be curious, the way that like your family, you know, has talked about it or any experience that you’ve had with that growing up, if they, you know, integrate it into any sort of the way that they look at, you know, medical practices and whatnot. So starting on the Chinese side, so I looked it up, much like everything in Chinese history, it’s been around forever. So the first recorded history of Chinese medicine was in the third century BCE, so a gazillion years ago. And it’s weird because I was trying to find like the origins and the like recorded history is tied to this script. That was attributed to someone named Huang-Di in Chinese but it’s like Yellow Emperor, literally Yellow Emperor. It’s confusing because there’s another phrase that sounds exactly the same Huang-Di, which just means Emperor but this one specifically like yellow Emperor’s, but I think he’s not maybe a real person because from what I found, it was like he was revered as a deity, but he was also supposedly like one of the first emperors of China, very confusing, but anyways, first Chinese medicine written down, you know, was apparently dialogue between him and his physician. And a lot of those practices are kind of the foundational bases of current Chinese medicine. But I think what’s skip past history? I think what’s more interesting about Chinese medicine versus like Western medicine is the approach that they take for looking at treating patients, which is more preventative than like, diagnostic, right? It’s like, they’re not waiting for something to be broken to treat people, they’re trying to just like, maintain holistic health. So actually, it’s interesting because Ramon recently had a medical situation, and we were looking into how to help his situation more naturally. And I was asking my parents about like, well, is there any, like Chinese herbal medicine or something that you can take to help the pain or whatever, and they were like, honestly, you don’t fix things with Chinese medicine. Like it’s, if something’s already broke, like, you gotta go fix that with uh, you know, Western stuff. And then the Chinese stuff can like, help strengthen it and like, make your whole system stronger. So yeah, the idea around Chinese medicine is really like maintaining the balance between the you know, your chi or your know your energy, your life, breath in throughout your body, and like keeping shit yeah, balanced so that if something’s out of whack is when something will appear broken, or like messed up, which you’ll then have to address through other means. But I just thought that was interesting, because it’s more like, you know, I think in the western context, we always think of medicine as like, last resort, it’s like, okay, I don’t think about needing medicine until something’s wrong with me versus this is like a daily kind of thing to help maintain a well balanced, healthy life.
It’s interesting, that’s very similar to South Asian, I think medicine as well. I mean, to give a little intro, I think, ayurveda, which is the Big South Asian, Eastern medicine practice, was founded, maybe like, third century also BCE, even before then. But people it’s unclear because it’s a lot of oral tradition as well. In the older Indian times, there was sort of this idea that people had to become specialists in something. So there was people who specialized as warriors, people who specialized in trade. And there were similarly people who specialized in medicine. And Ayurveda was that form of like sort of oral medicine that was bought brought to like the kingly traditions back back in the day. I think the first written document might have been closer to first century BCE. Don’t quote me on that. But that’s sort of what I’ve read as well. Similar to Chinese medicine, it’s all about balance and maintaining homeostasis. So Indians call it kaptha, vatha, pitha. So basically, those three life forces are representative of like fire, air and earth. And it’s about maintaining a balance between that in your body. It’s very fascinating because you actually see Ayurvedic doctors listen to your pulse. And they believe they can feel the life force of each pulse. And they can tell you which of your sort of energy forces are out of balance, and they say that is the one you need to work on as well. So it’s all about preventative medicine as well. So it deals a lot with nutrition, exercise, mental health, and spirituality, as well as a big part of Ayurvedic medicine is how do you heal the mind, the body and the soul? Because all of those are interlinked. And if two of those are broken, one of those is going to be broken as well. Similarly, once things are broke, there’s nothing really to fix fix it. There’s like herbs that they recommend as more of a preventative measure. And sometimes even like heavy metals, which is why it’s gotten a bad rap in western medicine is because some of these heavy metals when take in high amounts can be toxic. But what a lot of Ayurvedic doctors say is once there’s an imbalance, you have to treat that with Western medicine, and then slowly wean yourself off of that with Eastern medicine. So it’s a very similar practice as well, but the idea is hopefully, your body you’re maintaining your body in such a fashion that you never need Western medicine.
Can you explain the heavy metals thing a little bit more, because I read that and I was very confused of like what that was supposed to be doing.
Sandeepa 10:10
I think it’s this whole idea like India is like, loves pure metals, heavy metals. So like for instance, we cook a lot of our food and copper pots, because you know, like copper, and these metals are supposed to bring the life force of the earth around them. And so some of these herbs are like cooked or mashed in some of these like gold pots or copper pots, which in high amounts, for sure can be toxic but in low amounts, we actually need copper and stuff daily to maintain like, a good homeostasis metabolism as well.
Angela Lin 12:00
Okay, well, I love that there’s so much similarity between them. And it sounds like ayurvedic is even older than Chinese medicine, but the pulse thing is interesting, because when I was looking up, like how do Chinese medicine doctors like, assess a patient and pulse is one of the main ones as well. It’s just it’s really, really kind of wild. To me, the idea that you could get so much information just from someone’s pulse versus like, when you go to a Western doctor and they take your pulse. It’s not like you’re not expecting any like mind blowing revelations from that they’re just like, you’re dead, or you’re alive or
Sandeepa 12:43
No, it’s true. I think in western medicine, we have such high end diagnostics, right, like we have the EKG, we have the echocardiogram. But you know, as a neurologist, for instance, I just look at the monitor to see that their heart is going I don’t sometimes necessarily even take the time to listen to the heart, because for me, the neurologic exam is perhaps what’s more important, but cardiologists swear, and this is where specialty by specialty differs. But you listen to the pulse, you know, you can like hear the arrhythmia, you can hear the murmur. And based off of that, depending on where that murmur is, they’re saying they say, oh, okay, you have a systolic murmur, perhaps, you know, part of your ventricle is hypertrophied or something like that. So there is that practice, but then practice I think, has become less reliable, or perhaps less taught in the setting of new diagnostics.
Angela Lin 13:42
Hmm. Interesting. And to your point about specialists, maybe our regular encounters with doctors usually are like a general practitioner, like, you know, the default doctors, and maybe they’re not as trained and that kind of,
Yeah, and that thing, because like a general exam is so much different, like a neurological exam. And this is where my bias comes in. Like, the reason why I like it is that you can see like a mild drift in the arm and you say, Aha, that person has something called the pronator drift. That’s an upper motor neuron sign, there’s something probably wrong in like the spine or brain, most likely brain, you know. And so you’re able to sort of pinpoint a localization, and it’s almost like the MRI, and then you decide, do I need an MRI? Do I need to look at the nerves? Do I need to look at the spine, you’re able to pinpoint the localization of the problem and from there, you can get to radiology. So it’s one of the, I think, last few specialties where the exam actually tells you what’s going on, which is, I think, a dying practice in a lot of medicine.
It is really cool to see you or to hear about your way of diagnosing things because it is not what I’m used to saying when I go to like, you know, urgent care or whatever. Just like I I didn’t know something’s wrong with me to figure it out. I feel like they just asked the same 20 questions. And then at the end, they’re still like, I don’t really know what it could be like, just to be safe let me prescribe you three different things and like, we’ll find out whatever it is, like, okay, that didn’t seem very precise at all. Okay.
Sandeepa 15:18
Yeah, I think urgent, if Western medicine were a band aid, Urgent Care would be like the adhesive on that band aid, you know, it’s like, it’s basically being like, how can I patch things to the minimal degree before they see a specialist or primary care doctor and get some of that workup going, and urgent care will never give you refills of a medication because they don’t know what the treating, necessarily, but it’s when you go to the, you know, primary care doctors, which are now by the way being labeled as preventative doctors as well. So it’s coming back into practice, and specialists that you get, okay, what what is the exam? And what do we what do these tests tell you about what this person has? But sometimes when we’re healthy? We obviously luckily, don’t go through that entire process.
Angela Lin 16:06
Yeah, trust me, I don’t know about you. But ever since moving away for college, like post college, I haven’t had a regular doctor.
Jesse Lin 16:15
Yeah, I generally see the same doctor, but you don’t get a lot of time to talk with the doctor. Like it’s really brief. And I feel like maybe some of the reason why a lot of things are missed is because you don’t build a rapport with the doctor. So then you like some people may not be comfortable saying all the things that they want to say to like a complete stranger.
Angela Lin 16:35
Yeah, and it’s interesting. And it goes both ways as well, right? Because the doctor, if you’re a primary care specialist, say in Kaiser, or when I was at the general doing general neurology care, I would have sometimes 10 patients in the span of four hours, you know, so and some of them are double booked, or sometimes I’d have 12. And I’m double booking people, just because they’re from low income communities, and we’re trying to get as much people in as possible. And that means less dedicated time. And so when I, you know, I feel less comfortable telling people what’s going on, I end up seeing them more frequently, because I’d rather give them more time more frequently than less time once in a while, you know, but then there’s certain questions as a physician that you need rapport to ask, for instance, stroke specialists, like similar to cardiologist, the thing that prevents stroke, right is weight reduction, exercise, good eating habits. And those are things that in today’s society have become very, very sensitive topics. You know, it’s very hard in the doctor’s office talk about weight. Because we, you know, we’re in a society where, you know, healthy at every size is a thing, which is, which is fair, but sometimes, you know, weight needs to be addressed to reduce your risk of certain things. And so it’s about talking about that gently. But sort of the data shows the more you talk about it in the doctor’s office, the more likely one message at some point is going to kick in, right. So it’s sort of the antagonism of, Oh, God, I don’t know this person well enough yet, to like, have these more difficult conversations, but you have to, in order to make sort of, maybe an iota of change in the future visit?
Well, alright, let’s transition maybe. So one thing we want to talk about, I think it’s already pretty clear based on what we’ve already discussed, but the kind of like, the intermingling of the two in terms of like, just because Chinese medicine or ayurvedic medicine exists and people practice it doesn’t mean that they like negate science, right? They’re like, definitely, like, I still got to see you my like, regular doctor, and to what we were all saying, If something’s broke, I’m gonna go to that doctor. And then I’ll maintain with, you know, the more holistic stuff, I think, maybe I’m just painting like a fake picture or fake narrative here, but I feel like people that aren’t as familiar with Eastern medicine, maybe don’t understand that, or they feel like it’s kind of like shamanic or like, you know, witch doctory type stuff. And there’s like a segregation between the two. I don’t know if you guys have that feeling, too. Because for me, it feels like if I’m talking especially to like a non Asian person, that’s not as like, SF hippie, you know? Like, I can see them kind of being like, oh, what, like acupuncture or like, what do you drinking? What’s that soup? You know, like, as if we don’t believe in normal medicine just because we also have those things. I don’t know if you’ve had those experiences.
I think it’s actually becoming more integrated into Western practice, and weird way. When I first started back, I want to say in college than the pre med path, there was almost this antagonism. And they’re like, oh, there’s the allopathic way. Then there’s the non allopathic way. And there was almost a split. And as I’m going deeper and deeper into medicine, I actually see that some of these principles are coming back. And they’re saying, oh, there’s like a way of doing both. You don’t do one, which is fair, you do both. So like for people with migraines, or chronic pain, for example, acupuncture is a treatment that we can offer. And we say, hey, some people respond really well to this. We don’t know why. But it works for certain people, you know, yeah. And that’s it, and they go for it. And some people only need that Eastern medicine practice, they’re able to wean off their opiates, good. Good on them. I don’t think that’s anything bad. So I think the practice is coming around. I know in San Francisco, we have like an OSHA Medical Center, which is like an integrative medical Medical Center and introduces things like meditation, mindfulness, which is I think, the more Western way of saying spiritualism, because it’s easier conceptualization of it into practices like pain and into childhood diseases where kids are dealing with death, based on that’s something that has been integrated quite nicely, I think.
The the mindset part, I feel like is so underrated for how much your brain can control, like, how you feel and how you perceive pain, or health or happiness. So I’m really happy that, you know, like you said, that like, meditation is like the easiest way in, I guess, for people that aren’t super connected to spirituality, but I am happy that there’s some type of like integration that people are trying to make. Now, I still think it’s gonna be like, hard for majority of people, like I think we’re coastal people, right? Like California, New York is like a different level than the rest of the nation. But hopefully, this is something that we can start integrating more just because the mental health of it all is like one of the worst things happening in the country right now that we’re not like grasping very well, yeah.
Oh, for sure. We have, I think, a mental health, pandemic and epidemic, and that has been going on for decades. And what’s interesting is, as society becomes, quote, unquote, more evolved, that’s when more mental health problems are happening. I was recently listening to a podcast where one in four kids are contemplating suicide. That’s insane to me, you know, that’s like 25% of children. So just like we have this model of like, you have to exercise your body every day. To maintain your body, we need to have a similar thing. We’re like, hey, your mind needs exercise, too. And I think to broaden it, it doesn’t just have to be meditation, right? It’s about how do we live every day, in the in between of happiness and sadness, where big, big happy things don’t get to us, we feel them. But we say, ah, we can let it go and go back to this equilibrium. And sad things don’t get to us in the sense that we feel them. But we go back to this equilibrium. So even if you approach an everyday situation, and I think and retrain your brain, how to respond to said situation, almost like exposure therapy, if we even if we can even call it that, you’re in a way training your mind. So I think that is a way that Western medicine can integrate that spiritualism without calling it spiritualism. You know, it’s about tricking people into spirituality, and what is spirituality? It’s just living life in the median in the equilibrium.
Jesse Lin 23:54
It’s so interesting that you mentioned that because I recently, and maybe a few months ago, had a conversation with my coworker. And I told him that I was taking up doing like a meditation using this app called Calm because things have been really crazy. And I just needed, like, some time to really just clear my brain. And he was just like, I’m so busy all the time. I don’t have time to do like nothing. He’s like, how do you do it? And I’m like, that’s kind of the point. Like the point is, like, you set boundaries, so that you can have the time for yourself to do nothing so that your brain can be clear. And yeah, it was just like a very different from what you were saying in terms of equilibrium. Like I feel like a lot of people are, are really far away from that and really don’t realize that they are.
Angela Lin 24:40
Yeah, I think there’s a standard in Western society, that everything needs to be happy, or everything needs to be perfect, right? And the sad truth about life is life is not always happy. Life is not always perfect. And if you have that expectation, you’re never going to be happy, right? I’ve always If your goal is happiness, that happiness will never come. But if your goal is to, to live life where, hey, nothing is going to affect me no matter what it is, you’re going to actually be happy in a in a really weird frame of mind. So, so yeah, it’s all about that mental game and that mental training at the end of the day.
Well, since your specialty is neurology, and you are, you’re arguably probably one of the most spiritual people that I know. You know, personally, I’m curious how you combine those two worlds in your kind of day to day and I mean, I guess from two facets, one is how you approach patients and the other is more just like how you find that balance for yourself between being trained in this like very Western clinical setting, and then melding like that with your very spiritual, just like personal side of things.
Yeah, it’s interesting, right? Because neurology, in my mind is all about the hardware, if that makes sense. Like we learn about the brain, the structure, the networks, the software is not really focused on or it’s, there’s an artificial division between neurology and psychiatry, where the neurologists focus on the structure the hardware, and the psychiatrists, well, well, they’ll focused on the on the software, the, you know, the things that we don’t, we can’t see, that’s very artificial, because what affects the structure affects things internally that we’re not quite able to comprehend. Right? So if you talk to many neurologists, some will say I just like the fact it’s so clean, there’s a bomb, there’s something wrong in the structure, and boom, you get something wrong in the body. But in my mind, neurology is where I’m reminded of spiritualism and like how complex the mind is, because you get, say, a structural lesion, or say, a cut in the brain, and something happens physically, but the person’s personality, and the way they perceive the world changes as well. So it sort of reminds you that the mind is a complex network, where not just emotions live, but sort of a higher plane of existence, can can live right? Why I find dementia so interesting, is sometimes those people are losing, they’re losing their memory, they’re losing their minds. Where is the higher plane of existence in those individuals, you know, that that that question has, is always fascinated me, I think it’s there. Because there’s, there’s a higher plane in everybody but that that lower plane of physical existence is no longer able to connect with that plane, I think that’s what neurology is about is seeing the differences in those planes of existence, you know. So in terms of how I approach my patients, I’ve seen people with what we call non epileptic seizures, which are convulsions that happen in the body, not because of a structural problem. But because the software has run amok. And it presents us something that looks like an actual epileptic spell, but it’s not right. So I’ve had to tell people, hey, one, what you’re experiencing is completely real, because it’s happening to you. But two, we don’t have the tools to detect what’s going on in the software, of that of your ecosystem. And the way to train that is by focusing on techniques that deal with the mind, including cognitive behavioral therapy, and making sure we deal with ways to, you know, explore your traumas and anxiety. So that’s where I’m able to bring that sort of into Western practice. And I think, for me, personally, you know, Indian tradition, or spiritualism, in general has different ways that one attains that equilibrium. One of those ways is called Karma Yoga, which is the ability to have that sort of equilibrium in your work. And I think, for me, being in medicine is like, doing God’s work in a way where I’m able to see myself in every patient, or at least I try to, you know, and I say, oh, my God, that person could be me, that person is me that person is me. And that, that unity in that human experience, humbles you in the sense that none of your problems seem so bad when they happen. And all of your successes also seem great, but not, but not like the most impressive thing in the world. So it reminds me to maintain that equilibrium state. And it also brings me to a place of love and compassion, which I think is necessary to to understand that unity between human existence.
So, going into our fortune cookie closing sections, what we call our closing because we like to end on a sweet treat. So we want to close things off with the most. And this is probably this adjective I’m going to use is probably from the western lens, because we grew up here, but the most like insane or out there Eastern medicine thing that we have, respectively tried, I can offer my own to kick things off. So I honestly my parents kind of had me do everything in Chinese medicine when I was younger, like in high school. But the thing that I was like this is killing me is they took me to an acupuncturist every week to fix many things, supposedly, well, I think the main reason was to help with my running injuries and my trying to get my hormones more like balanced. But then they were also like, oh, you’re also short, we can probably make you taller, too. Like that seems not real to me. But okay. But I went like every week and what people don’t talk about because Jesse you were talking about like acupuncture is like very popular now, like a lot of non Asian people do it. But I don’t know how many non Asian people do this type of acupuncture where I was, like, I hate this is he would hook me up, he would put the needles in me, but then hook them up to an electro magnetic thing that would like pulse for an hour. And it felt really weird. And he was like, Oh, it’s not pain. It’s just a different feeling. I’m like, Don’t try to tell me what is painful. Just really bizarre, but I think it was because I mean in doing research for this episode. It’s like it was the meridians, right, like certain points where the the chi is supposed to be residing. Yeah. So it was reflecting back. I guess he wouldn’t call it pain, but it wasn’t a pleasant feeling. And it would be like pulsing every you know, every other second for a full hour. And I was doing that for weeks on end. And I was like, I hate this guy was like my least favorite day of the week.
Sandeepa 32:47
Did it work?
Angela Lin 32:47
No, it didn’t work, either.
Sandeepa 32:50
What was it supposed to do again?
Angela Lin 32:52
Well, he was trying to fit many things. I think that was the problem. I was trying to do too many things like maybe if he was just focusing on like, I was getting frequent shin splints from running cross country and track. So maybe if he just focused on like the muscle part of it, that probably would have worked, but he was also trying to fix my hormones that didn’t do anything
Jesse Lin 33:10
Your height –
Angela Lin 33:11
- that’s height did shit because I haven’t grown since sixth grade, let’s be real. So yeah, so anyways, I I think I’m open to trying acupuncture again now because I’ve it’s been like 20 years or whatever, but I was not a fan. At least like that method and the like, suppose it you know, he was promising too much like it was not realistic what he was going to achieve.
Jesse Lin 33:39
Well, you know, it’s funny that you mentioned that the did the stim thing because in physical therapy, they do do that. Not with needles, but they put like patches on you and they do electro stim. So I guess there’s some usefulness to that. But the needles were probably a little bit overkill. Honestly, I think my parents are probably same thing. They fed me like a bunch of weird stuff. So I can’t even tell you like What’s the weirdest thing that they fed me, but I want to say like the oddest thing that I’ve personally tried is getting getting a chiropractor. And then it was like, not that weird. It’s like very popular now. And like most insurances covered it. But I was like, really skeptical for a long time, because it’s like, it looks like that person could literally like snap my neck accidentally. Because it’s like, the YouTube videos are just like, whoa. And so like, I did it for a while, and it was like fine, but it was the same thing with acupuncture. Like it didn’t really help at all. It was just like, oh, that feels nice. But then it was like, like in terms of the actual issue that I came to address a PT like they didn’t really help it all that much.
Sandeepa 34:45
Can I just say chiropractors scare me? Like the whole neck thing scares me because we have like these like, really important vessels that go to the brain right near the neck. And I’ve seen strokes from really bad chiropractic manipulations of your neck. This is where my like, the western part of me is. I don’t know about that
Angela Lin 35:05
Jesse don’t go anymore
Jesse Lin 35:09
I have it I go only to I go to like a very, like legit physical therapy office now.
Sandeepa 35:15
Oh, yeah, not on your neck neck is like a bad place to get any sort of manipulation done. Yeah. Let’s see crazy things I’ve done. Well, I think so we’ve gone to a lot of Ayurvedic like, specialists over time. And one of the issues growing up is like, my parents thought I had a very poor metabolism, aka, I was a fat child. So like, we must take her to the doctor to figure out what’s going on the ayurvedic doctor. And he he listened to my pulse and all sorts of things and was like she has thyroid issues. And she needs to take a herb and it’ll kick in years later took said herbs. Anyway, years down the line in medical school, I got my thyroid levels measured. I do have autoimmune thyroid issues. I had like hashimotos thyroid, like thyroid Yeah, basically like an autoimmune disease, where I have hypothyroidism, which I’m now on like, like daily repletion for basically my thyroid hormones. I tried that herb. It probably didn’t work. But it was great. My family was like, yeah, we believe this guy. It seems like you have thyroid issues. And I was like, there’s no way. And we went to a Western pediatrician. And he was like, No, you can’t diagnose thyroid issues. And then, you know, years later, I did.
Angela Lin 36:49
Whoa, the cure wasn’t maybe the cure, but the diagnosis is correct.
Sandeepa 36:54
Yeah, man, a very weird way. It goes to show you can fix what’s broke, perhaps already or wasn’t apparent at that time, because I leveled out and I became like a normal looking kid. So they were like, oh, maybe this doctor was wrong.
Interesting.
Jesse Lin 37:11
All right. Well, thank you for joining us Sandeepa. Do you have any projects or anything you want to plug for our listeners?
Sandeepa 37:20
No, I have. I have zero projects at all. But I’m open to come and chat with me in San Francisco. A lot of my work is in homeless populations and in underserved populations and figuring out how to get them good care. So come chat, open the chat with you guys about spirituality, homelessness, social justice issues, medicine. Or just take you out to my favorite San Francisco coffee. No projects though.
Angela Lin 37:52
Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Sandeepa, and listeners if you have any questions for her, email us at telluswhereyourefrom@gmail.com the you’re is Y-O-U-R-E or if you have a story of your own about Eastern versus Western medicine, definitely write us in as well. And we will have a fresh new episode for you next week.