Angela Lin 0:14
Hey, everyone, I’m Angela Lin.
Jesse Lin 0:16
And I’m Jesse Lin and welcome back to but where are you really from?
Angela Lin 0:20
Today? Well, first of all, welcome back season four first episode back of season four kind of crazy. Um, have you been Jesse since season three?
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Jesse Lin 0:34
It’s been interesting. Like, I feel like things are ready to open. And people are vaccinated and everyone’s just kind of like, holding their breath waiting for the other shoe to drop. And it’s a little weird. That’s about it.
Angela Lin 0:53
Life continues to be weird.
Jesse Lin 0:55
Yes. It continues to be weird and weird and busy.
Yes. How about you?
Angela Lin 1:02
Yes. Same, same, same, but different. also busy. Also weird. And I’ll talk about this in a hot second. But let’s talk about things that happened during this time. You turned 30 what up?
Jesse Lin 1:19
I’m not gonna acknowledge that because 2020 was a failed year. I’m still 29. And I’ll turn 30 next year.
Angela Lin 1:28
That’s fine. Well, I guess that entire topic for today?
Jesse Lin 1:32
No, I mean, no, it was really nice. Like the my pandemic pod which is a pseudo pod because they were still seeing other people but pod enough pseudo pod. We rented a house north of New York, like 30 minutes away from Hudson, which is like this quaint little town that a lot of rich people to decamped to during Coronavirus. Anyways, we rented the house for I think like three nights and we just hung out there and partied. And it was really nice. They got me a cake and some presents. And it’s just like this, the stuff that we kind of do that like every three every few months, and we get together and it’s like more relaxed has been like the shining light in all this like my little bit of like normalcy. So it was really nice to be able to have a birthday that felt semi normal in the middle of like all this insanity so that 30 wasn’t like a complete bust. Yeah.
Angela Lin 2:34
That sounds nice.
Jesse Lin 2:35
It was.
Angela Lin 2:37
Yeah, well, it’s funny because I turned 30 last year, also during the pandemic, because life has not changed at all in over a year. And my 30 was a lot less interesting than yours. I remember it was just a Wednesday. I did work. I ordered a pizza. That was my 30. It’s already coming up on redoing two years. It feels like we’re halfway through the past 2020 year and we’re still kind of like meh? Well, I doubt you guessed what the topic was because we were not good about talking about this topic, but today’s topic is turning 30
Jesse Lin 4:45
Dirty 30
Angela Lin 4:47
Because everyone I feel like when we were growing up everyone made turning 30 such a big deal. Like depending on how young you were. I remember when I was like a teenager I was like turning 30 here like cancion that’s like when you start dying, you know, it’s so dramatic when you’re a teenager like 30 is death. And then when you’re in your 20s, you’re like, I’m so youthful. This is – I’m an adult, but I’m not the boring, the dull, you know, boring type of adult 30s when that happens, so I feel like there’s a lot leading up to 30.
Jesse Lin 5:22
I agree 30 is like this huge milestone, because you have all these like, aspirations tied with that number. And you’re like, oh, I should be, you know, here, here and here with my career, my love life, whatever, by the time I turn 30. And that’s like, usually never the case, because you made all these aspirations when you didn’t know anything about life. And also fun anecdote, as it comes to my love life. Do you remember there used to be like, a, one of the guys at temple was like a fortune teller. And he basically, he towards when I was, yeah, yes. Like a soothsayer for your like life in the future. And he basically told me, like, don’t get married before you turn 30 or it’ll be like a disaster. And I was like, you know, originally, I was like, oh, that kind of sucks. Like, maybe I want to get married before I turned 30. And I’m like, that’s probably good advice. I don’t really want to get married.
Angela Lin 6:19
Well, you’ve passed that milestone. So you’re in the clear.
Jesse Lin 6:22
I can. I’m mystically blessed. Now in my marriage.
Angela Lin 6:26
Oh, my God. That’s funny. Yeah, I feel like what do you think weighs into why 30 is such a, like, important, seemingly important milestone,
Jesse Lin 6:40
I feel like there’s a lot of just media stuff. Like when you’re watching TV shows about people and any like sitcom, somebody turns like, 30. And it’s like a huge hullabaloo. They have some kind of crisis about they’re no longer 20. And they’re not young, and they can’t have fun anymore. Or like they feel too old to have fun. Also, like my mom told me that 30 was a important age recently
Angela Lin 7:08
In Chinese culture?
Jesse Lin 7:09
Yeah, I didn’t know that. She was like, Oh, it’s very important. And I was like,
Angela Lin 7:13
I didn’t know that
Jesse Lin 7:14
I think she was like, it’s the age to chen jia like make your family, build your own, like life kind of situation. So I was like, oh, I didn’t know that. Yeah,
Angela Lin 7:25
I don’t know that either. But that makes sense. It’s also not that different from Western culture. It’s just, it just sounds like the age when you’re supposed to become a real adult, and like, have a house and have family and bla bla bla, bla, bla bla. I’m like, thinking about it a little bit more. And I feel like it also, I’m, maybe I’m taking it too like scientific or whatever. But I’m like, I feel like it had this weight, because for a long time, it was seen as like midlife, like you’re halfway through your life, where 60 is kind of like, I don’t know, you either. A long time ago, 60, you could have been dead or like 60s when you retire. And you’re just like, straight up not doing much with your life anymore years old. So then 30 is like supposed to be kind of peak. And that’s when people feel the pressure of like, this is like the pinnacle. And I have to like have succeeded in XYZ by this point. And then I think about what’s really funny is that it has shifted somewhat in pop culture, in the last few years, like 30 is definitely still very important. And people make a huge hullabaloo around that. But do you remember when we turn like 24/25 and we had like, quarter life crisis, because I remember, I straight up had a quarter life crisis at that point. You skip that?
Jesse Lin 8:52
Um, I don’t remember if I had a crisis, I kind of like, this is what I say when I was like boring in my 20s. Like, I kind of had, like, I kind of retired. Like, I was just doing stuff. And I wasn’t necessarily enjoying it, if that makes sense. So I was like, doing my career stuff. And, you know, I was in a relationship for a while I was doing relationship stuff, and it kind of just felt like all those things that were building up to 30. But like, I didn’t necessarily stop to evaluate, like if those things made me really happy. So I didn’t have that crisis. Although if I had stopped to contemplate my situation, I probably would have but at that period of my life, and you were to like – we were just like, go, go, go, go, go go. So it was like really hard to stop and like, think about where you are going,
Angela Lin 9:51
Oh, I have my quarter life crisis though.
Jesse Lin 9:54
You’re more like, present in your life and knowing of self
Angela Lin 10:01
Maybe back then. I think it was just a I had it was like a pre 30 crisis almost like it’s what you’re supposed to have at 30. I had it like 25/26 or something like that. I it also for me is probably because it coincided with business school. So there’s like a pre Business School crisis and a post business schoolcrisis. Because it’s pre business school, you’re kind of like, man, something’s fucked up with my life that like, I gotta fix and maybe business school is how I’m gonna fix it mostly career wise, right? Like, no one, like, totally switch industry or function or something like that. And then post business school, you’re kind of like, well, I just like, took a whole, I took a two year break on my life. And I like bet everything on this decision because it costs shit ton of money. And am I really that happy in like this job that I got out of business school? Is this worth everything I sacrificed? And if it’s not, what am I doing with my life? So I think a lot of us have, like, post business school crisis as well.
Jesse Lin 11:04
I mean, I definitely, I definitely. I feel that, although I did not go to business school, but like, I can follow that in terms of like, just working in my career. Like, I got to a specific point where I was like, do I like doing this? Like, I’m fairly good at it. But like, do I want to do this forever. Still TBD. But back to the why 30 is important. I also feel maybe for ladies, it’s like a little bit of the biological clock thing. It’s like, tick, tick, tick, tick girl.
Angela Lin 11:37
Yeah. Yeah, that’s so real. That’s such a real thing. That’s super fucked up. I didn’t. I feel like when you’re approaching 30, you’re kind of like, Oh, I’m still young. Like, I’m like, What is age? You know, like, I’m still I’m youthful. I’m like age is nothing. And then when you get close to 30, or you hit 30, you’re like, oh, oh, wait, I have not as a woman, you’re like, I don’t actually have that many years left to like, be as prime as I need to be. And it feels so unfair, frankly, as a woman, because there’s nothing you can really do about it. I mean, there there are things you can do about it, obviously. But if you just want to have things go as like naturally as possible. There’s not much you can do about it if you wait too long. And it’s just pretty crazy. Because I have friends like business school, really shook up my viewpoint on age because like, when I went in, I was on the younger end and business school you there’s no age limit, right? Like it’s people who’ve had some sort of career already that like want to change a career. So it was kind of like, plus minus five years of age between everyone and I was on the younger end. So I have a ton of friends that like my closer friends were older than me, and they turn 30 like in business school, or shortly after business school or something like that. So then, it didn’t feel like a big deal to me, because I’m like, I feel really connected to these people. And they’re 30, who cares? Not a big deal. So that like turned it off for me like that. But I made a friend who was trying to have a family like shortly after business school, and she was 34 at the time, and she already had to do in vitro. And I was like having a really hard time with it. And like, it doesn’t always work the first time and like you put a lot of money and like emotional energy, physical energy into doing that, and it doesn’t always work out. And she told them she when she finally did get pregnant, it was 35. And she told me technically, the medical term is that she was having a geriatric pregnancy like she’s a fucking old ass woman. Pregnancy because at 35 biologically, you’re considered geriatric, which is fucking insane. Well, we thought it would be fun to kind of look at like, our pre and post 30 like, what we thought about certain things where we’d be in life versus the reality of where we are. So let’s talk about career. Jesse, what did you think? Where do you think you’d be at 30 when you were like, I don’t, let’s bring it back. Let’s bring it back. Cuz I feel like the most disconnected is probably like teenage years when you had just like, no real, no real semblance of reality of what 30 was going to be like.
Jesse Lin 14:38
Where I thought I was going to be at 30 as a teenager, career wise, honestly. I think at that point, it was a big question mark. Now if we’re talking about like, late teens, like 17/18, I had made this decision to go to do a hospitality program. So like I was thinking that I wanted to work in hospitality, but no, no, no, corrected. I don’t want to work in hospitality. So I don’t do that anymore. But that’s where I thought I was like what I thought I wanted to do like to work at, you know, a hotel and like, chat with guests and be that kind of, like that very old school concept of what a hotel General Manager is the guy that’s like standing in the lobby that’s greeting people and like very jovial. And then I actually worked in a hotel and realize that people are awful. And they really don’t care if you’re really nice at all. So I was like nah. Well, what about your teenage career aspirations?
Angela Lin 15:38
I mean, well, if it’s high school, no high school or college, I, I thought I was going to be working in the music industry, which is how I ended up working VH1 as real job. But like, I was very convinced at that time, when I was younger that I was gonna work in a&r. So that’s the talent scouting department and record labels. So you’re the one that like, goes to a bunch of concerts and like, discovers new bands, and like the next big thing, right, and I always thought that was gonna be like, exactly what I wanted to do. And like the most glamorous job, it sucks balls, it sucks balls until you are like a famous A&R Rep. And you just get flown places, you know, because I ended up interning at a couple record labels. And one of them I interned in the A&R Department and I was one of the only interns that was 21. Because in New York, they’re a bunch of clubs and like, little venues, but you have to be 21 to enter. So I had to go all the time. And it would be like three times a week that I’d have to go to some shitty tiny club and listen to some shitty-ass bands like, there are a lot of bad bands out there, man. And like you’re just trying to find the diamond in the rough. And I’d be so tired after like going to class all day and then having to stay out till like 11 or midnight to watch some shitty band. And then I have to pitch it every week. It was just horrible. And like, there so judgy in the music industry, towards you and towards everything. So I was just like, this is awful. I don’t want this goodbye. But I definitely thought I was gonna do some like hot shot A&R talent scout some big record label by the time I was 30 in like a huge office. Because when I in turn my first time interning, it was like so glamorous, because there these people, especially the people who like kind of made it, their offices, they have these like gold Platinum records with their names engraved on like, you know, the artists that they helped launch. I’m like, this is the shit and yeah, it’s not. There’s so much crap behind that facade.
Jesse Lin 17:53
Yeah, yeah. I agree with you. That’s kind of how that’s like kind of how I ended up in the hospitality. And then kind of how I ended up in advertising field. I was just like, Wow, it’s so cool. I’ve been like, literally, you joined in the next day. And it’s you. You walk past that like, front desk, and it’s like trash bags behind it.
Angela Lin 18:11
Oh, yeah.
Jesse Lin 18:12
And it’s just like, yeah.
Angela Lin 18:14
Okay, that’s career. What about relationships?
Jesse Lin 18:17
Well, as you know, I was very confused. Honestly, like, what I wanted, in my mind, and sometimes I still, like fall back on that and have to, like, dig myself out of what I’ve been dictated, is like this idea of a very heteronormative gay experience, where it’s like, just the same thing as how a straight couple might live their lives, but I’m just dating a man seeing a man or married to a man instead. And that’s kind of like what I had in mind. Like, once I was like, oh, yes, I am gay. But then like, through the experience of going to college and meeting people and actually dating, like, that has shifted a little bit where I, it’s not that it’s not that I don’t necessarily want those things, but they’re not so core to my happiness that I would be like so unhappy if it never happened. And it’s different, because I feel like when I was younger, that’s all I wanted. I wanted to be with the one the person that would be like, the Swiss Army knife to my life, like they would like my comic, my Savior, my, the person that makes me smile for all of those things. And now I’m like, I’m still looking for a person that will make me happy, but I don’t put that person as like, you’ll do everything for me now. Yeah.
Angela Lin 19:43
Well, because you face the reality of life now, which is that most people don’t find that kind of person. Yeah, that’s a made up person that TV writers have conjured up.
Jesse Lin 19:58
I certainly wish that TV characters for real.
Angela Lin 20:02
I mean, yeah, but you’d also be real bored. I feel like we I don’t know who I’ve talked with us about, but like, movies always end up like the perfect spot, right? And then if you ever tried to like, think about what happens after that point is either really boring or they break up.
Jesse Lin 20:17
It’s like, yeah, yeah, that’s exactly it. What? Well, what about you Miss? Miss Angela?
Angela Lin 21:08
I’m hard to say because I it’s funny, because I was anchoring on like, teenage. But do you remember when we were children? And we played that like mash game?
Jesse Lin 21:18
Oh, yeah.
Angela Lin 21:19
Oh my god. We’ve heard that like religiously, like every day, and it would be like, Who am I going to marry? What age am I going to get married? And like all this shit. And when you’re a child, you’re like, oh, late 20s. That sounds ancient. So I remember thinking, I think I like, you know, my, like, ideal age to get married was like, I don’t know. 23 or something like that. You know, when you’re a kid? Yeah, yeah. 23 sounds like an appropriate time to get married. No, no, no, no. But I definitely thought I think as I got older, I’m like, that’s probably not happening. But I at least thought that I’d be in like a serious, committed relationship for several years. By the time I was like, 27, or something like that. That’s not the reality of life at all. And I met Ramon, three and a half years ago. Now. So yeah, I guess I was like, 27/28. But like, I met him then. So it was not like, I’ve been in the stable thing. And it we could get married at any point. Like, that’s not what that was. And I think I’ve talked about this, but in the past, thinking back on, like my parents as I was getting closer to like, I think 27 was the first time that I made any sort of comparison to my parents age wise, because in my head, I’m like, Oh, my mom met and got married to my dad when she was 27. What am I at at 27? I remember thinking like, well, I’m single and alone. So I’m like, great. I’m on the right track. And she, by the time she was 30, she had my brother. So like, I turned 30. Last year, I’m like, I’m not popping out a kid right now. And I’m like, you know, I’m in a good relationship, but I’m not at that stage. So just like, it just, you know, I settled for, like, where things were, as I got older. And then now I feel like, you know, the 30 is not the mark for me. That’s not really where I’m gauging up. It’s, unfortunately, I am backing out a lot based on the biological element that we talked about.
Jesse Lin 23:21
So geriatric pregnancy.
Angela Lin 23:23
No, I’m not trying to have a geriatric pregnancy.
Jesse Lin 23:29
Yeah, it’ll be fine.
Angela Lin 23:31
Yeah, I think so too. But yeah, for those listening things that have happened. Well, yeah, we did the city hall thing. We did the city hall, because we were supposed to get married last year. And it obviously was put on hold and things were very up in the air and things are looking better now, for a real wedding. But we just didn’t want to feel like life was indefinitely on hold. So we did our city hall, part of it at least this past week. So I’m technically married.
Jesse Lin 24:05
And the photos look beautiful. Maybe not what you expected, but hopefully still a very joyous experience.
Angela Lin 24:13
Okay, well, where were your parents at? 30? Like, what were their lives like at this point?
Jesse Lin 24:19
You know, I don’t have a very clear like chronological ordering of my parents life. But I do know, my mom told me she had me when I was like, 33 Oh, no, when she was 33 Oh, my gosh,
Angela Lin 24:35
in the future of your life. She gave birth to you
Jesse Lin 24:38
back to the future. Yeah, back to Yeah, Back to the Future, but like reverse order. Yeah. Yeah. She had me when she was 33. I don’t know how long my parents have been married at that point, but I can’t imagine more than three years. So they’re probably like in the same ballpark of like when your parents got married too. So like, both of our parents are, I would say, like late boomers for that, that time period
Angela Lin 25:04
I think maybe our parents were at the kind of like, tipping point between generations because both my parents are one of five plus children. And that was definitely like grandparents age was like all hands on deck popping you out so that you can take care of the other kids so that I can go sell things and like, make money and all this shit. And then all my aunts and uncles only have like max, two kids, one or two. Yeah.
Jesse Lin 25:34
I wonder because like, you know, our parents are, it’s not that they’re tight lipped about their experiences, but they’re not going to volunteer their experiences.
Angela Lin 25:42
That’s just the Asian way.
Jesse Lin 25:44
So I sometimes I wonder if it’s just that, like, they, they had this experience growing up in a large family, and they saw kind of the failures of it like the unfun parts, and they’re like, I don’t really want to do that. Like, I don’t want to deal with all that. And so they decided to just have one.
Angela Lin 26:03
That’s probably fair, I mean, it’s very expensive also to have that many kids.
Jesse Lin 26:08
Super time consuming. I literally and I don’t know if there’s like, there’s things where I learned stuff about my parents, and I’m like, that was frickin I can’t even say that it was ghetto. It’s just very, very crappy. Like this.
Angela Lin 26:27
What?
Jesse Lin 26:27
Well, okay, so I was just home this past week, and my cousin Jeffrey came over. And we were having a conversation with my parents. And he was talking about like he’s asking my dad like, Hey, have you ever seen something as a kid? Like something that someone was eating or something that someone had, and you were like, I really have to have that. And when I grow up, I’m gonna get that. And my dad was like, No, he was like, let me explain to you like how my life was. He was like, when your grandparents, my grandparents, so his parents would go out and work, they would shut the youngest two children in a trunk with food.
Angela Lin 27:03
What?
Jesse Lin 27:05
Right. I was like, why, like, that’s like child abuse,
Angela Lin 27:10
It is child abuse
Jesse Lin 27:13
He said, it was like a trunk, basically, to keep them from like, because there’s no one to take care of them to keep them from, like, making trouble or running away.
Angela Lin 27:21
What if they died in there?
Jesse Lin 27:23
That’s what the food’s for..
Angela Lin 27:25
No lack of oxygen!
Jesse Lin 27:26
I don’t know. I don’t know. But I was just like, this is like, this is on another level. And so God, and there’s just stuff like that, where I’m kind of like, I it’s like a little insight to their life, where I’m like, oh, you’re a little more normal than you should be given this experience like that, that you like function at all, you know, is like,
Angela Lin 27:50
Oh, my god, that’s, wow. I need to take up some of those stories from my parents
Jesse Lin 28:01
I’m sure there are and there’s like, yeah, so, you know, in comparison to our parents, I think we’re, we’re really, really quite different. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, yeah. Geez, Louise, man. Damn good.
Angela Lin 28:20
Also, I learned a lot, because the original question was like, why do we think our parents ended up having fewer children or, like were later bloomers or whatever, I think. And it’s sad, because I didn’t know about this till recently, until I played that Parents are human cards that we talked about that Chinese American millennial came up with. But anyways, um, I didn’t learn till recently that both my parents had younger siblings that died when they were young. So I’m sure part of the thing is like, I don’t want to have the heartache of like having a big family that I can’t take care of. And like, you put all your love and energy into creating this life that like, doesn’t exist anymore. So sad.
Jesse Lin 29:07
Yeah, I think that’s something that definitely they it’s not something that they would volunteer even in a regular story.
Angela Lin 29:12
No. And to your point of like, shit was rough back then. My mom explained that one of her well, her sibling that died was an infant when she died. And it was from a cold, like, it was too cold. And they died from the cold.
Jesse Lin 29:32
Like hypothermia?
Angela Lin 29:33
Yeah. And I was like, that’s fuckin rough. I’ve never heard of that of like, you know, in modern times, like, die from being cold. I’m like, Oh, that’s the age and then probably, you know, indicative of socio economic, you know?
Jesse Lin 29:52
Yeah. I also think maybe the last thing like why our parents didn’t have as many children. I think we’ve talked a little bit about this in the past, but like, they’re also kind of part of this whole, like American Dream thing where you’re like coming here to work on yourself. And they probably spent some time like doing that, and sailed past the geriatric pregnancy time period and then like, ooh, here’s the baby. So, yeah, well, let’s move on to the fortune cookie section where we are going to do a back to the future in reverse, where we predict our for 40s 40s or we can predict your 40s. Well, what do you think that the 40s is gonna look like, girl?
Angela Lin 30:39
Uh, that’s so hard for me to think about. It’s weird, because we’re arguably closer to our 40s than we are to our younger selves, and like high school and whatever. But thinking about 40 I’m like, that’s a different person. That’s a different life. Like, and that’s only 10 years from now. or nine for me, because I’m turning 31 in three months, which is insane. No, I don’t know. I mean, I guess I’ll be I’ll have a kid or two. Which is like a whole different thing. Because I it’s really hard for me to put myself in the like, Mom, category. And like, what the implication is on like,
Jesse Lin 31:22
You’re going to be the Ali Wong mom
Angela Lin 31:29
Probably. No filter? Mom. No filter? Yeah, I don’t know. It’s Yeah, for me, it’s very hard to picture that that’s, that’s most likely what it will be. I’ll be a mom of one or two kids. And that’ll be a very different identity than I’ve had before. And I can’t picture not much else. How about you?
Jesse Lin 31:52
Um, honestly, I haven’t really thought about it. But I’m hoping that 40 will just be like, I don’t know, like more of how my life is now. But better, if that makes sense. So like, working but working in, in a situation where I feel more, I don’t know, where I feel more like authentic at work, and also being paid more for it. And also, like, in the relationship that I have now, but like, a more stable relationship. And just like all the things that I like, in my life currently, but like more of it.
Angela Lin 32:33
Upgraded a little bit.
Jesse Lin 32:34
Yeah, yeah. Like more disposable income, stuff like that. I don’t know, if I have like big life plans. Like, I would love to buy a place. I think that’s like something.
Angela Lin 32:45
Yeah you’ve been talking about that for a while.
Jesse Lin 32:46
I think that’s in a like a reasonable horizon by 40. And kids, I don’t know, I have a cat and it’s, he’s a handful.
Angela Lin 32:56
So you’ve got Juniper.
Jesse Lin 32:57
He’s a handful. And I had to like, ship them away for the night before I left. And I was so sad. Oh, so sad. I was like, This is what it’s like to have a child disappear. Like, you know, put your child into daycare while you’re on a trip. And I’m like, I kind of understand why parents are like, like, you can’t leave the baby. Like I kind of get it now because I can’t I was like the cat
Angela Lin 33:21
Junipee
Jesse Lin 33:23
In summary, I don’t think that I have any big plans other than to just continue, like developing the parts of my life that I enjoy.
Angela Lin 33:32
Okay, yeah. Okay, cool. Um, that’s a good I think that’s a very realistic and a good way to look at 40. I think so. Yeah, yes. Okay, well, we wanted to open season one backup, or Jesus Christ season four backup season, season four, episode one back up with something a little lighter. So because sometimes our topics get a little deep, right. So hopefully you enjoyed this, but we want to hear from you as we always do. And reminder that we’re always looking for reflections episodes, listener submissions. So write us in about your story about you know what you thought 30 was going to be like, what 30 is actually like for you post 30 any weird, like, expectations that your parents had for you by the time you’re 30 anything around this topic? Write us in at telluswhereyourefrom@gmail.com the “you’re” is Y-O-U-R-E? And maybe you’ll get featured in our upcoming reflections episode
Jesse Lin 34:41
So yeah, send us your stories tell us if you had a COVID 30th and what you did
Angela Lin 34:46
God, was it more interesting then? At least mine? If not, Jesse’s?
Jesse Lin 34:51
Did you order a pizza and do a Zoom
Angela Lin 34:54
Was it good pizza?
Jesse Lin 34:57
Well, and you know, as always, Please join us again next week for a fresh new episode.