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[00:00:00] Angela Lin: Hey everyone. I’m Angela Lin.
[00:00:01] Jesse Lin: And I’m Jesse Lin. And welcome back to another episode of, but where Are You really from this week we’re turning a 100 baby. It is the centennial. Episode of
[00:00:15] Angela Lin: our podcast. You’re like, it’s been 100 years of this podcast. It’s been 84 years .
[00:00:24] Jesse Lin: So as you guys know, I don’t think we expected that this podcast, hobby Baby, would.
lead all the way here to 100 episodes. And I think Angela, even when we started, I, you had some ambitions for like what we were gonna do, but I don’t even think that you were thinking that you were gonna make this like your full-time shebang. Definitely not at the start. Yeah. So now that we’re here, we’ve discussed like so many different topics.
I think there’s still stuff that we can learn about each other cuz we constantly are learning more about each other as we do the podcast, you guys are learning more about us, we’re learning more. Some of you through the comments, so we wanna continue the dialogue and so we thought it would be really fun for our hundredth episode to do the 36 questions to fall in love by New York Times, because love doesn’t have to be romantic.
It can be platonic. Mm-hmm. . And it can be a very fun exercise. I think I’ve done this with a few friends. We did this with, um, Karen. Yeah. Actually some we did. some of these and then like some other questions. And it’s just fun to hear what your friends will answer for some of these things. Cause I just think a, like, it’s not something you ever think about for your friends.
You’re not like, oh, like what does, you know Amber think about like her favorite dinner guest. You, you would never think about these things. But it’s actually, I think it sparks like really interesting conversations from almost like icebreaker type. Without further ado, , we will hop right into the questions, expect that there will be some meandering conversation around them, possibly as their icebreaker type questions, but here we go.
Angela, if you could invite anyone in the world to dinner, who would it be?
[00:02:06] Angela Lin: I think my answers have changed throughout. Like, I’ve, I’ve definitely done this exercise many times. The, or like parts of it. Um, I used to say like Mindy Kaling. Mm-hmm. and like Jennifer Lawrence had her heyday where she was kind of like everyone’s favorite.
What happened though? I have no idea. Um, but those aren’t my answers anymore for sure. . So let’s see. Maybe Lady Gaga, cuz she’s a fucking like, force of nature. She’s amazing. Yeah. And I’m. . Yeah, I think I’d love to just like hear her life story a bit of like that explosion into fame and more like, I’m really curious, kind of her transition from her, like really over the top crazy like meat dress wearing days to like mm-hmm.
now where she still is like very much her own person that doesn’t fit in any box necessarily, but she doesn’t, it feels like less. Like she’s just doing really outlandish things to get attention and more that she’s kinda like settled into her own. Like, this is who I am and this is the art I want to make and like take it or leave it.
And also I’m super successful. So , I’d be curious to hear it kind of like her evolution.
[00:03:24] Jesse Lin: Yeah. Well, I told you I saw her at Chromatica Ball. Oh, yeah. Amazing. Mm-hmm. , I think she’s still doing a lot of that stuff. Like in her tour, like the first, her opening thing in the tour is basically like her in like a coffin, just spinning and like, it’s like an upright, like cylindrical thing.
It’s amazing and like, no. You’d be crazy to find anyone else who could open like that, where everyone is just like, yes, yes, you,
[00:03:52] Angela Lin: yes. Spinning, cing, spinning.
[00:03:54] Jesse Lin: Beautiful like it was. Yeah. So, yeah, I do agree with you. I feel like in the original, like the Lady Gaga hole, like the idea of Lady Gaga was such a character.
Mm-hmm. , and now it feels more true to like who she’s trying to represen.
[00:04:10] Angela Lin: Yeah, and I also, I really like, like I’d be curious to also get to know who she really is, like to kind of see where that line is between like who she puts on as the, like in front of cameras version and who she kind of really is off, off cam.
I’m sure there’s a little bit of a gemina. Exactly. Get me some time with Stephanie. . So yeah, that’s my answer, . Perfect. Okay. Excellent answer. Now you are in the hot seat. Next question. Ha. We’ve talked about this actually. Yeah. Would you like to be famous and in what way?
[00:04:46] Jesse Lin: I think I would like to be mid-tier famous, meaning that like people, some people will recognize me and it’ll be like chill and fun, but not like crazy and outrageous.
So I’m thinking like, Bo and Yang level success, where I think like most people will recognize him, but he’s not like so famous that people are immediately swarming him and it’s, I think it’s already really uncomfortable for him because we like. He was at chromatic of all, and my friends tried to like steal him for a selfie and he was like, he was there for it for maybe like three seconds and he was like, no, I’m going.
I’m leaving . So, and I was like, I’m really sorry. This is awkward. Bye.
[00:05:27] Angela Lin: Maybe you want even less fame than him then, .
[00:05:31] Jesse Lin: Yeah, I think I could. I think I could theoretically do that for like you. a minute, like hang out with random people that I don’t know, but then I would be like, I’m leaving. Like there’s gonna be terrible traffic and I wanna get out here in this situation.
So yeah, like mid-level famous where I can make like, you know, low to high, millions of dollars without like serious invasion of my privacy and like personal. Respect. Okay. Question number three, before making a telephone call, do you ever rehearse what you are going to say? Why?
[00:06:08] Angela Lin: Um, I think it depends on which phone call, what kind of phone call it is.
But I, I can’t say I’ve never done this. I have rehearsed. Slightly what I’m gonna say, but I will say it’s also because like how many times are you using the phone nowadays? Like if I can handle it over online forums, like I’m gonna do that. So a lot of times the phone calls are for like serious things, like a job interview or like, , you’re breaking up with someone, I don’t know, like something like a serious situation.
And so yeah, I do kind of rehearse or I don’t rehearse in terms of like I have a script and I’m reading off the script, but I kind of like go over in my head like, these are the main things I wanna make sure we talk about. Um, . So yeah, I’ve done that. But those are for like important things. So no, when I called the, um, sliding door repair people from my parents, I did not rehearse what I was gonna say
[00:07:05] Jesse Lin: to them.
You were not prepared to do, uh, Asian Satya negotiation with them? No.
[00:07:11] Angela Lin: I was like, just tell me how much it is . Fix this shit.
[00:07:15] Jesse Lin: Don’t let your mom hear you
[00:07:17] Angela Lin: next. , what would constitute a quote unquote perfect day for you?
[00:07:24] Jesse Lin: Do you remember that song that that was in? That was in, yes. . They legally what? Every time someone says that, I’m like,
[00:07:34] Angela Lin: That’s
[00:07:36] Jesse Lin: so good. Mm-hmm. , um, . Honestly, I think a perfect day would just be a regular day that I have where I am consistently in a good mood and like most things are going my way because I’ve had days like that where I’m like, this has been a great day. Like, Hmm, I woke up, I was, you know, my energy level was okay.
Went to work, had a bunch of like satisfying things that were resolved. Went to the gym, did my thing, like, came back, watched a t, watched tv. My partner, like, I think like a regular day that just everything is very nice, is kind of a perfect day for me because the reality is that you’re never gonna, like, I feel like most people be like, oh, I won the lottery and then like, uh, stumbled on the pot of gold, and you know, like that’s like an impossible day, right?
I’m talking about like what could be realistic and I think what’s realistic is a really. Normal day where everything kind of like goes my way. I
[00:08:34] Angela Lin: love that answer because it makes it so that you can have perfect days. Not all the time, but like much more frequently than some made up. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic old day.
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:08:45] Jesse Lin: And, and honestly, I prefer to have stuff like, not, not that at winning the lottery would not be amazing, but I. In the long run, it’s like the small things for me that make me happy and like small things, simple things make me happy, and so having just a nice day would be relatively perfect for me.
Okay. Numero cinco, when did you last sing to yourself, to someone else?
[00:09:13] Angela Lin: What does it mean to sing to myself? Well, because I literally dress. Singing in the car today. But I wasn’t by myself like Ramon was in the car, my mom was in the car, but I was singing along to the song that was on the, on
[00:09:26] Jesse Lin: my Spotify. I think that counts because you’re doing it for yourself and it’s not
[00:09:30] Angela Lin: performative.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, I see. Okay. So yeah, so literally a few hours ago for the singing to myself, it was Justin Bieber, cuz he has so many bots. Who was Justin Bieber? Um, it was. Uh, is a song called Off My Face or whatever, the Off My Face? I think that’s what it’s called. Like, uh, um, of My Face in Love With You. You don’t know that song,
You gotta
[00:09:58] Jesse Lin: get on TikTok. I probably do. I just don’t. Is it new? Is it recent? No. Oh, .
[00:10:05] Angela Lin: I mean, it’s, uh, music is like that, right? Like technically it came out two or three years ago already. I think TikTok and other places that like recycle music. Yeah. Kind of re popularize older. It’s not even an old song, but like, not like super fresh songs.
Last time I sang for someone else,
[00:10:29] Jesse Lin: work.
[00:10:30] Angela Lin: Uh, for you right now when I was trying to recreate That’s true. That song for you. That’s true. And the gotta say, it was not my best. So
[00:10:38] Jesse Lin: here we are. Well, you know, like we try every day to have a perfect day and sometimes it’s just, it’s just not there. And that’s okay.
That’s true.
[00:10:47] Angela Lin: It’s true. That’s okay. Whatevs. Okay. Wow. This is a long question. Okay. If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or body of a 30 year old for the last 60 years of your life, which would you, oh, I see. Okay. That was confusing. I was like, you’re gonna live to 150 or No, it’s saying that when you hit 30, you will either for the next 60 years till you die at 90.
Um, retain the mind or body of your current 30 year old state? I
[00:11:25] Jesse Lin: think I would pick the body and hear me out. This is because I feel like a lot of the old fuddy-duddy has to do with your body aging and so your, you know, like, and you can’t experience as much, but I feel like a lot of old people are still quite, they’re still quite lucid.
Like there’s nothing wrong with. Mental capabilities, but your physical capabilities are not there. So I think I would take the physical part of it because I think that at that particular age, I would still have enough mental, mental faculty to do all of the things that I need to do, but I would prefer to be able to do all the things that I need to do with third year old body.
[00:12:09] Angela Lin: Interesting. Yes. Okay. I, I know we’re not doing, everyone answers every question, but I would actually do the opposite because I think I’ve seen enough people, not at 90, but like to, like well past my parents’ age, for example, that are actually like fairly ripped. It’s like if you wanna keep your body and like tip top shapes, sure it will never be a 30 year old’s body, but it can be like decades younger than what the average.
age person for like an alter person would be if you’re like actually eating really healthy and like hitting the gym all the time versus like for example, you can’t prevent dementia or like ulcer that’s true. Tumors and that kind of stuff. If your mind is going
[00:12:51] Jesse Lin: well, I’m hedging a bet about this whole like whole body health situation.
Mm-hmm. Where it’s like if you have a healthy body, then you have a healthy mind and da, da da da da. So that’s. . That’s where I stand with that particular question. , do you have ? Do you have a secret hunch about how you will die? ?
[00:13:14] Angela Lin: Uh, no, I don’t, I think we have done this question before. No, I don’t have any secret hunch.
Mm-hmm. . And I feel like when people say they do, it’s not that they have a hunch, they just have like an extreme fear about like a certain way of dying. So then they’re like, I don’t know, I think I’m just gonna get hit by a car or something like that. Um, no, I don’t have a secret hunch. Like, obviously my hope is that I just like fall asleep and I die of old age, you know?
Um, so no. Okay, next. Um, name three things you and your partner appear to have in common. That is a weirdly, oh
[00:13:50] Jesse Lin: my God. Phrased sentence. Um, we’re both men . We both have hair .
[00:13:57] Angela Lin: Yeah. What the hell is it?
[00:13:59] Jesse Lin: And we’re both somewhere around five seven.
[00:14:02] Angela Lin: Okay. How about name three things
[00:14:04] Jesse Lin: you and your partner have in common?
No, I know, I know what this, it’s more. I think it’s, the question is kind of like if people knew you as a couple, what would they say? Like you guys are Oh, I see. Similar, I see similar qualities. I think we both enjoy meeting and socializing with new people. We both have introvert, like energy recharging needs.
Okay. They’re a little bit different. I think all of our friends would say like, yeah, you guys both sometimes just are like, Nope, not gonna be there. We need to like recharge. And I think that we both care about each other a lot. Number nine, for what in your life do you feel most grateful? There’s a lot of things
[00:14:47] Angela Lin: to be grateful for, I think, but I’ll go warm and squishy too, and I’ll say Ramon because Oh, of all the.
I think a lot of like my push towards self growth and like being more open-minded towards trying different things and like exploring the world and like doing a lot of that stuff came from meeting him. So, so yeah, I’ll say having him in my life, which is warm and squishy. That’s very nice. Yes. Okay. , if you could change anything about the way you were raised.
Wow, this is a loaded question. What would it be?
[00:15:30] Jesse Lin: Oh, money. Even the money. No, no, no. I, I honestly, like, it’s hard to say cuz I think hindsight is 2020 and I’m very satisfied, more or less with where I am. So to go back and say I wanna change something means that that might move my life path away from where I am.
But I would say probably the thing that I was most lacking as a kid, I’d probably like say I would love, I would have loved it if my dad was more involved in my life and just like more forward with the relationship he wanted to pursue with me. And I think that that’s just. You know, it’s a function of how he was raised, where my grandfather was not necessarily like the most connected.
So I think that he had a lot of trouble fostering that relationship. Cause he had no model, right? Like we, we, we talk a lot about like, you can’t be what you can’t see. And so I think for him there’s a big challenge where he doesn’t. He may not necessarily know how to build a relationship with me. And actually last time my mom or my parents were just here like a week or so ago, and my mom was like, you should call your dad more.
Like he asked about you a lot, but then he just asked me to call you in . Oh. And talk to you about it. And I was like, he, he could call me like, so I am trying to be more. , I’m trying to be more active in, in calling them like at least both of them like once a week and like ask ’em how they’re doing and like what’s new with their lives.
Cuz I think that it’s a little bit of a struggle for him to kind of like, Do that, and I’m more or less shameless now, so I can do that. .
[00:17:08] Angela Lin: Aw. Oh, so much warm and squishy going on, right?
[00:17:11] Jesse Lin: Hmm. Who knew? 11 . Take four minutes and tell your partner your life story in as much detail as possible. Well, you’re not my partner, so can I, but you can tell me your life
[00:17:21] Angela Lin: story.
Can I just tell you that this question gives me so much PTSD because, In business school, the elevator pitch number of times you have to essentially say your entire fucking life story, but like mostly career related, but essentially your life story in various versions of time limits is so traumatizing.
To me, it was like you need to have a. S uh, I think the longest they gave you was like a two minute version. So you need to have a two minute version, a one minute version, a 32nd version, and a like tldr essentially like, because a lot of times people ask like, is there anything else I should know about you?
Or like, what makes you different as like the last question in an interview or whatever. And it needs to be just kinda like a one liner. So there’s like so many versions of this and it. Gave me so much stress because I was like, so my, I’m supposed to distill my entire, like being, and my entire sense of value as a human into two minutes, one minute, 30 seconds, and one sentence essentially.
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[00:19:12] Jesse Lin: Oh my God. Oh, maybe I’ll do, I’ll do something that’s like sexual. So I am not a versatile pers uh, I do not play the versatile.
Not really. I’m mostly a top, but I think bottoms have a lot of fun and I wish I was more versatile, so that would be my thing. Mm-hmm. , it’s
[00:19:32] Angela Lin: a, what would that entail? Flexibility or,
[00:19:35] Jesse Lin: I just feel like a, a verse person, like really enjoys being the top and also really enjoys being the bottom. Oh, I like they have, they gain equal pleasure from doing both things.
Got it. Got it, got it. Okay. That’s how me . Sorry. Sorry. Tmi. Tmmi. TMI warning. We’ve talked
[00:19:51] Angela Lin: a lot about That’s true. Everything on this show.
[00:19:54] Jesse Lin: Um, if a crystal ball could tell you the truth about yourself, your, oh, your life, the future, or anything else, what would you want to know?
[00:20:03] Angela Lin: See, that’s funny because I literally already do all these, I do many things to divine these things.
yes. For myself. So I’m good. I will say I’m good because also I don’t want to, I think I’ve figured out a lot of things recently with. . You know, we’ve had, like, I’ve done like psychedelic journeys. I, I meditate now. I did the hypnosis regression stuff. Mm-hmm. and I do have another, um, psychedelic journey coming up in the next like month and a half.
So I will not divulge, but also I, I also don’t think it’s anything like huge. I think I just want like a little bit more clarity on like my life and like, Any big signs I’m missing, but I feel like I’m good on the whole crystal ball, magic crystal ball thing because I’ve already done a lot of that figuring out shit for myself through all these other methods.
And I also think it’s more worth it to do it that way because than like a crystal ball as the example because you work to get the answers. Yeah. Like you’re like doing self work essentially to figure it out so it, it feels more, you know, meaningful.
[00:21:19] Jesse Lin: Well, I think this, this question is also kinda open ended because I read it like it could tell you the truth about yourself, your life, some random thing in the future or anything else.
I
[00:21:30] Angela Lin: don’t wanna know anything about like the future in that sense, because like what you said about the past, I don’t wanna know anything like definitive about the future cuz you can fuck it up and then it won’t be your future anywhere. Yeah.
[00:21:40] Jesse Lin: And honestly, to your point, Towards working towards something. I feel like if you just saw it in a crystal ball, you probably wouldn’t even know what it means anyways.
Like if the, if I shook the crystal ball, I’m like, let’s assume that I was bored in like 1960 or something. If I shook the crystal ball in 1980 and said nine 11, I’ll be like, what’s this? I don’t know what this is. So like for the most part, it probably wouldn’t mean that much to you. Yeah.
[00:22:05] Angela Lin: Yeah. So don’t go wishing for crystal balls,
All right. Next. Is there something that you’ve dreamed of doing for a long time? Why haven’t
[00:22:16] Jesse Lin: you done it? Hmm. Okay. Dreamed of doing for a long time. I, I really wanna work abroad somewhere like not in the US cuz I just think it will be so interesting to. See what that experience is like. And I’ve had it secondhand from other people who’ve worked in different areas and like, oh, it’s like this and the culture’s like this.
But I think it’s just like a separate thing to experience it overall and just be really integrated into like wherever you’re working. Because let’s face it, we spend like a, a lot of our working time or a lot of our waking hours working. So I think it would be really cool to have that kind of experience.
Why haven’t I done it? Laziness and opportunity. I think that I, oh, I also just bought this apartment, so I’m, I don’t know. I’m at this place, I’m at this place in my life where I’m starting to feel a little bit more settled and this is the kind of thing that I is more difficult to do when you’re settled.
But I would still say like if the opportunity called, I would try to figure out how to make it work. You know, like if there was like an opening somewhere and there’s like an open. Casting call for this position, I would be like, yeah, I’ll, I’ll go for it. And then like, I’ll figure everything out, you know, once I hear back on how that goes.
But yeah, I think it would be really cool to work abroad somewhere.
[00:23:39] Angela Lin: Yeah. You’ve actually mentioned this a couple times in the past,
[00:23:42] Jesse Lin: and I seriously was doing it. Like I, there was a, I was interviewing for this German company. I didn’t get it, but like, I was like, I’m gonna leave if I get this.
What is the greatest achievement of your life?
[00:23:58] Angela Lin: You know, I feel like a lot of these, I’m kind of like, nah, , like, I don’t like them as much as I thought I was gonna like them. What is the greatest accomplishment of my life? This is a big question because I think I’ve always attached it to. Traditional concepts of achievements.
Like for example, in the past I said things like getting into Chicago Booth for my MBA because it’s the number one business school in America and everyone thought I couldn’t do it. Or then like recently wrapping up my corporate career, it was like launching Far Cry six, the video game, because I fucking did that shit.
Like the, the like actual launch campaign, the marketing part of it. I was responsible for like a lot, a lot of it . Um, so that, but I think. Greatest accomplishment of my life. It’s as I get like more woowoo and like spiritual and shit. and I’m learning more about kind of myself and like my relation to people and my impact with people.
I think my greatest accomplishment is continually kind of like connecting with people and hopefully leaving like a positive impact one way or another because I can like name, for example, like several people in my life that I know that I’ve. had a really strong, positive influence on, thank you. Jesse’s pointing at himself.
Um, or like, you know, they come to me for advice frequently and like stuff like that. And it, that stuff makes me feel really good because it’s, it’s intangible, right? And it’s like, , and I’m not doing it as a job. It’s just like, it just feels good to like help people. Mm-hmm. . And to know that that’s kind of like in me, that it’s, it, it’s like a continuing thing that like more people I meet, there’s always like new people that I have those kinds of relationships with.
So not a traditional answer, I would say, but I think it’s also a reflection of my changing belief and what matters in life. so,
[00:26:20] Jesse Lin: I know we’re not, again, we’re not doing this double question answer thing, but I was gonna say it’s me. I’m the greatest achievement in my life. . Like, honestly, like look at where I was.
Look at where I am now. Yeah, that’s true. And it’s kind of what you’re saying, like you’re, you’re constantly working towards better bettering yourself. You are the greatest achievement of your life. That’s
[00:26:39] Angela Lin: true. That’s true. And we are the protagonist of our own lives. So if that’s true, you can’t be proud of being your greatest achievement.
Who will be, maybe
[00:26:47] Jesse Lin: I want to be the antagonist.
[00:26:49] Angela Lin: You. We are both. Let’s be real. We are our own biggest antagonists. Always . Okay. That’s very fair. Okay. Um, what do you value most in a friendship? I have a vested interest in this . Hmm,
[00:27:05] Jesse Lin: sir. I’m trying to think of, you know what it is so funny is that sometimes I think of it backwards.
So I think about the people that I met recently and why I don’t want to be friends with them. . I personally feel like the thing that I value most about friendship is like a general openness because I’m thinking about the last few people where I like have kind of rided them off. And the reason is because it feels like a lot of the energy that I’m giving out is not coming back.
So they’re like not open to receiving this energy. And of course there are like other important things like. Trust, honesty, but those are like things that are like deep into your friendship. And I’m thinking about like what are the things that will drive you to a friendship? And I think openness is like really important because if you’re not, and this is, I, I feel, feel like this is some kind sometimes a way in, in the gay community because everything is so like body conscious and like sexually driven, that some people are iced out because they don’t.
Like they have muscles in a six pack or they don’t look a certain clothing fashiony sense and stuff like that. But I think for me, what’s most important is that someone is like really open because all those things are superficial to having your energy reflected back at you. And there’s like nothing better than.
That because it’s like that, like instant connection that you have with a person. Love it. Thank you.
[00:28:36] Angela Lin: May you find more open people and keep only open people in your
[00:28:40] Jesse Lin: life. I’m trying. They’re honest. They’re the most fun anyways, so why don’t they want anyone else? True. , what is your most treasured memory?
That’s us playing in the back of an empty
[00:28:53] Angela Lin: picture. Dude, I will always remember that we were fucking hooligans, and so Jessie and I met. DOIs Temple, if you guys don’t know our whole backstory. Yeah. But we always played hooky at night. Like the adults had like class, we actually had nothing to do. Well, they started doing those classes and we were like, oh, I help them.
Like sometimes they started doing that, but anyways, the adults would be like reading from like dais texts, that’s class. And then the kids would just like dick around and we were so bad, we would like hide and like there’s like a massive warehouse. It was weird. Or temple was like inside. functioning office slash warehouse situation.
Yes. So we’d like run around there, hide around there, and then there was a parking lot with like employees of this businesses like trucks and stuff. And we would like crawl into the back trunks of these cars that we don’t know the owners of. And just like loiter there all night, we were weird. I don’t know.
No, that’s, I, those are fond memories, but those, it’s not my most treasured memory bear. I don’t know. It’s kind of, uh, is it too, oh wow. I didn’t know I was gonna go so woowoo on like all these answers, but it’s not a singular one. But I will say, I think every time I come out of a psychedelic journey or, or some other, like self in.
Introspection journey because like the hypnosis for example, there were no drugs involved. Um, that feeling I get when I come out is so special and kind of like indescribable because it is, it’s weird because you’re kind of bridging two worlds. You’re kind of coming out of this like otherworldly experience back into like your normal physical life.
And then also coming back though kind of. stronger in a way like spiritually, emotionally, and mentally because you like know more about yourself or like your situation or have more guidance. So that kind of mental and emotional state that I have right after coming out of one of these like introspective journeys, but not a specific one, I’d say like all of them kind of equally have those
[00:31:05] Jesse Lin: feelings.
Nice. Nice. I think those are, that’s a fair answer. Yeah.
[00:31:12] Angela Lin: Going full. Woo. Okay. Oh haha. Well, you get the fun opposite. What is your most terrible memory? What
[00:31:19] Jesse Lin: is my most terrible memory? I feel like I have this like eternal sunshine of the Spotless Mind thing where I like delete bad memories cuz they’re. Bad.
And I’m like, I don’t really wanna do this. . Oh my God, I should have said this to be, oh my gosh. So I, I already told you this story and like most of my friends, but when I was at Eed C this past year, I did like too much acid and I just ha, I was like stuck in like the dark place and. I don’t know what happened.
Like I don’t know if it was like the music that led me there or just like I was already kind of like in a bad head space, but I ended up like confronting this like manifestation of my sadness or like my depression and it was just this like enormous like wall of like emanating sadness and I was like, oh my God, this is like.
So much. I was like, I didn’t know that this was like sitting inside of me, like freaked me out. I was like, oh my God, am I like really fucking like depressed? And I just had this like, and then PA after that I had this like vision of just like me being alone, really sad. And it was like so vivid that I was like in a funk for like the rest of the night.
Honestly, like the rest of the week. I was like, I think I’m. , my brain has broken . Like it was, it was dark. I cuz I, cuz it, I knew, I, I’ve, I’ve been going through, you know, I’ve been going through stuff with Covid and just like relationship troubles and. . It’s stuff that I’ve been working on and I knew that I had been feeling really sad about certain things, but I never like confronted it in such like a visceral manner where I was like, oh my God.
It’s like enormous. Like, what do I do with all this? And it was just like overwhelming. So that was like the most terrible memory that I , I think. Oh,
[00:33:11] Angela Lin: you definitely didn’t tell me
[00:33:12] Jesse Lin: that. . Oh. Well, now I did. Sorry.
[00:33:16] Angela Lin: Okay. Yeah. Well, day You learned something else here at the same time.
[00:33:19] Jesse Lin: Well, they were, they were there.
They saw me like crying at Esso. Like, I was like, like it was, it was not, it was not the, not the night. Yeah.
[00:33:31] Angela Lin: Might I suggest that you change your setting, Henry Reattempt, to confront that same thing again?
[00:33:41] Jesse Lin: I, yeah. I think I need. . Honestly, like going into in going into it, the Headspace was not great and then when I got there I was just kind of like, well, fuck it, I’m already here.
And I was just like, I’m just gonna do this. Like one thing that I know is probably too much, but I’m already here so I’ll make better choices next year. ,
[00:34:02] Angela Lin: no, I did it. Well, I also just literally mean like, because we’ve talked about that we use psychedelics differently. Yeah. But. What you described sounds horrifying, but also sounds pretty common in terms of like something you might encounter when you do it for like a therapeutic purpose.
Mm-hmm. . And in that setting you would just embrace it and kind of like kind of try to push through and be like, what am I trying to learn here? And like what you got while, like what, what, you know?
[00:34:33] Jesse Lin: Yeah. I don’t, yeah, I think that definitely would’ve helped. I did push through, but it was just kind of like, , I, I’m just gonna like live outside of this kind of situation to make myself like functional
[00:34:48] Angela Lin: Oh boy. Well, okay. Anyways, I’m sorry you went through
[00:34:53] Jesse Lin: that. It’s okay. It was my, it was, it was me being dumb anyways, so I was like, of course. Like, and it’s stupid too cuz I tell everyone like, if you’re not a good place, don’t do it. And I’m like, guess who did that? Me. It happens. . All right. Almost at number numero 20, numero 19.
If you knew that in one year you would die suddenly, would you change anything about the way you are now living and why?
[00:35:20] Angela Lin: I mean so many woo woo things. I think it’s just all the things that we know we’re supposed to do, actually do them. And then by that I mean. Specifically, especially like spending time with and expressing love towards your loved ones as much as possible.
Because if you really only have one, you’re left. That’s like all you got. So what’s more important than like spending it with those people? Um, it sounds kind of silly cuz my mind immediately went to like, oh, actually like get into. Uh, fitness routine. And it’s like ironic because it’d be like, well, you know, you’re dying in one year.
Because some, some other people would say like, I’d eat like whatever the fuck I want because I know that I’m gonna die either way. Yeah. But for me, I think I’d rather try to optimize like the time I have left to feel as good as possible. Yeah. Um, so yeah, those two things. Yeah. Spend as much time as hustle with loved ones.
Stay
[00:36:18] Jesse Lin: in shape. I think that’s, that makes sense. You know, making use of your time by staying healthy. Yeah.
[00:36:24] Angela Lin: Yeah. Until I reincarnate again. ,
[00:36:28] Jesse Lin: what’ll it be this time?
[00:36:31] Angela Lin: I dunno. All right, last question. We’re only going through 20 because it was too many. 36 total. We don’t have time for that. Yeah. But also 20 feels like the right place to end because it’s a hundred.
So, you know, it’s like even numbers, data.
[00:36:44] Jesse Lin: Yeah. Yeah. Blah blahs. Okay. Just scale. As they say, , scale
[00:36:48] Angela Lin: it up. Okay, Jesse, no pressure. Last question. What roles do love and affection play in your
[00:36:55] Jesse Lin: life? Ooh, this is a good one. I think it’s, I pretty big. I want to say I, over the last few years have been. Thinking about more intentionally like relationships, particularly my primary relationship, but also like how other relationships can play out.
And it’s always been a little bit difficult for me to navigate this whole like friends than like friends with benefits, than your like primary relationship and then like potentially like other, Relationship type things between that and like friends with benefits. And so I think love and affection are quite important because I seek, I seek all of these thi, I seek these things in all of the people that I know.
And I think that people will say like, oh well, like you’re not looking for love from like your friends per se. And I’m like, of course I am. Like. Of course I’m looking for love for my friends. Like it’s not romantic love necessarily, but I’m looking for like that kind of de yeah, that kind of like rooted connection where you like, you know, you got each other’s backs and there’s this like connection and you can have like your inside jokes and you just feel really good with this person.
These are all like facets of what I think people think love are and of obviously, I also seek affection from my friends. And I think it’s funny because we also do it really differently where I have a group of friends where I just like shit on them all the time, and that’s like the way that we do it, and we love it.
So yeah, I think it’s huge because all of the relationships I cultivate, like I, that’s what I’m looking for. I’m looking for love and I’m looking for affection. .
[00:38:34] Angela Lin: Hmm. Okay. And yeah, I like that you kind of delineated the affection can come in many different forms, including shitting on people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, we talked
[00:38:44] Jesse Lin: about, yeah. Asian, Asian dad cutting you fruit. That’s love. Asian
[00:38:48] Angela Lin: mom too. Asian parents in general. Yeah. Yeah. Fruit. You’ll never get that apology, but you will get some, you’ll get the cut fruit. Mm-hmm. . Okay. Well we learned a lot about each other, I think. And although I think a lot of it we, we knew a good question.
The
[00:39:04] Jesse Lin: answers have have changed, I think, which is interesting to see. Yeah,
[00:39:07] Angela Lin: that’s true. That’s true. Um, well, yeah, so happy 100 episodes to us and to all you who’ve been listening throughout this with us. Let’s see. How did we wanna close this? It was, are we in love yet, ?
[00:39:23] Jesse Lin: Oh yeah. Are we in love? I think we’ve been in love with a lot.
[00:39:25] Angela Lin: We’ve been in love with each other For, love You.
[00:39:28] Jesse Lin: 30. Oh, don’t say it girls. 20, 20, 26, 30 something years. I, oh, 31.
[00:39:36] Angela Lin: Are we like 50 years old now? Yeah, 20. 26 years. Yeah. 26 years. Yeah. Oh my God. That’s correct. We’re a whole millennial’s worth of love, because that’s even older than Gen Z. Duration of our friendship.
26 is a millennial still.
[00:39:52] Jesse Lin: Oh, okay, okay, okay. I see. Yeah. Not Gen Z . Well, looking forward to another 26 years. God. Oh my God. Weird .
[00:40:04] Angela Lin: Yeah. We will live that long and hopefully more more than that. We’ll live. We lived in six years. That’s like nothing, girl. I know, right. Okay. Well anyways, um, let’s see. How about you guys either let us know what was the most surprising answer that one of us gave, or maybe drop a question you wanna know about.
Maybe we’ll decide whether or not we want to answer you, but we can go with that too, because these are just prompts that we got from the New York Times thing, but we’re, as you know, we’re relatively open or else we wouldn’t have a whole podcast about our lives and identities and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So
[00:40:44] Jesse Lin: well thank you for tuning in and as always, join us next week for a fresh, new episode.